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2010-04-23, 12:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm dwarfing as hard as I can.
I may have one-shot gestalt campaign coming up in a few weeks and I'd like to optimize for sheer, unadulterated dwarfiness. If you guys have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
We're using Pathfinder as the core system, with fairly liberal importation rules from 3.5 supplements.
My current thought is something like this:
Race: Dwarf
Gestalt Side 1:
Incarnate / Ironsoul Forgemaster / Wizard 1 / Runsmith
Gestalt Side 2:
Warblade x / Deepwarden 2 / Deepstone Sentinel
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2010-04-23, 12:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm dwarfing as hard as I can.
No dwarven defender in there? Really?
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2010-04-23, 12:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-23, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm dwarfing as hard as I can.
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2010-04-23, 01:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm dwarfing as hard as I can.
Some other very Dwarfy PrCs
Ollam (CAdv)
Dwarf Paragon (UA)
Stonelord (CWar)
Hammer of Moradin (PGF)
Drunken Master (CWar) ... if only it didn't require Monk levels...
Bunch of feats from Races of Stone would be thematic.Last edited by Telonius; 2010-04-23 at 01:01 PM.
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2010-04-23, 01:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm dwarfing as hard as I can.
dwarf paragon is base class that never gets you a multiclass penalty
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2010-04-23, 03:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm dwarfing as hard as I can.
Seconding dwarf paragon, to be a paragon of dwarfyness.
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2010-04-23, 04:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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For Maximum Dwarfiness
Dwarf Paragon and Fighter (Dwarf favoured class this is :) )
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2010-04-23, 04:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm dwarfing as hard as I can.
Human, stoneblessed: dwarf, dwarf paragon :)
Dwarf paragon makes your craft skills uber, your darkvision better, your racial traits are so good you're dwarfier than the average dwarf. Also has good will saves and more class skills that you might need.
Deepstone sentinel is like DD for ToB right? Why not some bloodstormbladehammer?
Sentinel should be stronger than DD, but the DD can boost your con and AC, adding in deepwarden boosts your AC by boosting your Con, and the DD stance boosts your AC and con again.
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2010-04-23, 05:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Warblade 15/Deepstone Sentinel 5 || Fighter (Dungeoncrasher) 6/Lion Totem Barbarian 1/Dwarven Defender 8/Dwarf Paragon 3/Fighter 2
I've had great fun with this build. He's really scary in close quarters. With Dungeoncrasher Bull-Rush/Trip shenanigans, Defensive Stances, and all the joys of the Stone Dragon school foes have a very difficult time getting past him to your squishies. Spiked Chain is optimal, but an Dwarven Waraxe +Heavy Shield is more iconic and has worked well for me.
If you hit Epic go
Warblade etc||Dwarven Defender 2/Hulking Hurler 3/Legendary Dreadnought etc
I've played this guy from lvl1, deep into epic, and never regretted my build.Last edited by Yorrin; 2010-04-23 at 05:03 PM.
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2010-04-23, 05:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm dwarfing as hard as I can.
humm, a dwarfy dwarf
how about this
The build , and the reasons for each pick, will be explained at the bottom
Race: Earth Dwarf
Alignment : any chaotic
STATS (32 pts buy, less works too)
STR 18
DEX 6 (dump)
CON 20 (16, +2 dwarf, +2 paragon)
INT 10 (optional dump, 8 intel gives you just enough skillpoints)
WIS 16 (12 minimum, since it helps damage and will saves, don't dump it)
CHA 6 (dump)
1 Ranger/ Lion Totem Barbarian weapon focus: warhammer
2 Ranger/ Lion Totem Barbarian bonus feat: uncanny dodge
3 Ranger/ Dwarven Paragon iron will, bonus feat: endurance
4 Ranger/ Dwarven Paragon
5 Ranger/ Dwarven Paragon
6 Ranger/ Deepwarden Oversized TWF
7 Ranger/ Deepwarden
8 Ranger/ Battlesmith
9 Ranger/ Hammer of Moradin
10 Ranger/ Hammer of Moradin
11 Ranger/ Hammer of Moradin
Ranger gives you skillpoints, divine spellcasting,the endurance feat (all of which are required for the prestige classes).
Barbarian gives you pounce, rage, uncanny dodge, d12 hitpoints
Dwarven Paragon for an extra +2 Con and other bonuses to crafting
Deepwarden so your Con replaces your Dex for AC bonuses
Battlesmith to get your Wisdom to damage with warhammers
Hammer of Moradin to get your STR 1.5 times even while dual wielding warhammers.
The first few feats mentioned are necessary for the prestige classes, Oversized two-weapon fighting is just recommended
Raging incredibly useful as it also gives you a bonus to AC , which nullifies the penalty. Your bonus is high enough that you might want to consider taking a level in monk and fist of the forest although that would require an alignment change, and Fist of the Forest has weird fluff for a dwarf.
I would trade the animal companion for something else.
Obviously it's a melee build so it won't be as strong as a caster, but you can easily turn it into an horizon tripper variant.
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2010-04-23, 07:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-23, 07:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-23, 10:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-23, 11:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Now, as anyone who's played dwarf fortress knows, a dwarf isn't a dwarf unless he's on fire and doesn't care about it.
Enter the Azerblood from dragon 350. They're dwarves that are also on fire, and since they're planetouched you can make them lesser and drop 'em down to +0 LA.
Now, all you need is a favored enemy (animals) and a crippling fear of elephants, and you're good to go.
Also, equip a belt of dwarvenkind, and UMD not being a dwarf to double up on your dwarvenness.Last edited by TheMadLinguist; 2010-04-23 at 11:09 PM.
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2010-04-23, 11:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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My girlfriend(non-gamer) after watching me play an RPG on the Xbox: "So, you're just killing people and taking their stuff?"
Me-.....Right!
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2010-04-23, 11:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm dwarfing as hard as I can.
Originally Posted by Alabenson
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2010-04-24, 12:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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I wonder if this gestalt dwarf monstrosity can squeeze in more Dwarfness than another gestalt build can squeeze in Bear-ness.
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2010-04-24, 07:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Not unless we can build a Were-dwarf template.
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2010-04-24, 08:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-24, 12:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Stoneblessed from Races of Stone can make you count as a dwarf and gain dwarf-like bonuses... and doesn't disallow dwarves entry (not that a PaO couldn't get around that if it did).
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2010-04-24, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-24, 02:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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EE's not even around anymore, Fool. You can drop it.
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2010-04-24, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ee? ......
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2010-04-24, 03:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's an homage now. I said so. Therefore, it's true. Further discussion is invited via PM.
Every single item this character has must be dwarvencraft, a quality I was not aware of a few days ago. Though there's no such thing as dwarvencraft darkwood, I believe the improvised weapon argument is enough to fuel everything metallic being dwarvencraft.
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sigLast edited by Irreverent Fool; 2010-04-24 at 03:28 PM.
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