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    Default I'm dwarfing as hard as I can.

    I may have one-shot gestalt campaign coming up in a few weeks and I'd like to optimize for sheer, unadulterated dwarfiness. If you guys have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

    We're using Pathfinder as the core system, with fairly liberal importation rules from 3.5 supplements.

    My current thought is something like this:

    Race: Dwarf

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    Incarnate / Ironsoul Forgemaster / Wizard 1 / Runsmith

    Gestalt Side 2:
    Warblade x / Deepwarden 2 / Deepstone Sentinel

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    No dwarven defender in there? Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caphi View Post
    No dwarven defender in there? Really?
    I kind of thought Dwarven defender was superseded by Deepstone Sentinel.

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    Default Re: I'm dwarfing as hard as I can.

    Some other very Dwarfy PrCs
    Ollam (CAdv)
    Dwarf Paragon (UA)
    Stonelord (CWar)
    Hammer of Moradin (PGF)
    Drunken Master (CWar) ... if only it didn't require Monk levels...

    Bunch of feats from Races of Stone would be thematic.
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    Default Re: I'm dwarfing as hard as I can.

    dwarf paragon is base class that never gets you a multiclass penalty

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    Seconding dwarf paragon, to be a paragon of dwarfyness.
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    For Maximum Dwarfiness
    Dwarf Paragon and Fighter (Dwarf favoured class this is :) )

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    Human, stoneblessed: dwarf, dwarf paragon :)

    Dwarf paragon makes your craft skills uber, your darkvision better, your racial traits are so good you're dwarfier than the average dwarf. Also has good will saves and more class skills that you might need.

    Deepstone sentinel is like DD for ToB right? Why not some bloodstorm blade hammer?
    Sentinel should be stronger than DD, but the DD can boost your con and AC, adding in deepwarden boosts your AC by boosting your Con, and the DD stance boosts your AC and con again.

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    Warblade 15/Deepstone Sentinel 5 || Fighter (Dungeoncrasher) 6/Lion Totem Barbarian 1/Dwarven Defender 8/Dwarf Paragon 3/Fighter 2

    I've had great fun with this build. He's really scary in close quarters. With Dungeoncrasher Bull-Rush/Trip shenanigans, Defensive Stances, and all the joys of the Stone Dragon school foes have a very difficult time getting past him to your squishies. Spiked Chain is optimal, but an Dwarven Waraxe +Heavy Shield is more iconic and has worked well for me.

    If you hit Epic go
    Warblade etc||Dwarven Defender 2/Hulking Hurler 3/Legendary Dreadnought etc

    I've played this guy from lvl1, deep into epic, and never regretted my build.
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    humm, a dwarfy dwarf

    how about this

    The build , and the reasons for each pick, will be explained at the bottom

    Race: Earth Dwarf
    Alignment : any chaotic

    STATS (32 pts buy, less works too)

    STR 18
    DEX 6 (dump)
    CON 20 (16, +2 dwarf, +2 paragon)
    INT 10 (optional dump, 8 intel gives you just enough skillpoints)
    WIS 16 (12 minimum, since it helps damage and will saves, don't dump it)
    CHA 6 (dump)

    1 Ranger/ Lion Totem Barbarian weapon focus: warhammer
    2 Ranger/ Lion Totem Barbarian bonus feat: uncanny dodge
    3 Ranger/ Dwarven Paragon iron will, bonus feat: endurance
    4 Ranger/ Dwarven Paragon
    5 Ranger/ Dwarven Paragon
    6 Ranger/ Deepwarden Oversized TWF
    7 Ranger/ Deepwarden
    8 Ranger/ Battlesmith
    9 Ranger/ Hammer of Moradin
    10 Ranger/ Hammer of Moradin
    11 Ranger/ Hammer of Moradin

    Ranger gives you skillpoints, divine spellcasting,the endurance feat (all of which are required for the prestige classes).

    Barbarian gives you pounce, rage, uncanny dodge, d12 hitpoints

    Dwarven Paragon for an extra +2 Con and other bonuses to crafting
    Deepwarden so your Con replaces your Dex for AC bonuses
    Battlesmith to get your Wisdom to damage with warhammers
    Hammer of Moradin to get your STR 1.5 times even while dual wielding warhammers.

    The first few feats mentioned are necessary for the prestige classes, Oversized two-weapon fighting is just recommended

    Raging incredibly useful as it also gives you a bonus to AC , which nullifies the penalty. Your bonus is high enough that you might want to consider taking a level in monk and fist of the forest although that would require an alignment change, and Fist of the Forest has weird fluff for a dwarf.

    I would trade the animal companion for something else.

    Obviously it's a melee build so it won't be as strong as a caster, but you can easily turn it into an horizon tripper variant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telonius View Post
    Hammer of Moradin (PGF)
    Drunken Master (CWar) ... if only it didn't require Monk levels...
    I initially read that as "Drunken Hammer of Moradin" and got really excited. Then I paid attention to what you actually wrote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subject42 View Post
    I initially read that as "Drunken Hammer of Moradin" and got really excited. Then I paid attention to what you actually wrote.
    Sounds like a PRC in the making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CockroachTeaParty View Post
    Sounds like a PRC in the making.
    Actually something suspiciously like that is already made. Check the UA prestige classes.

    Also be born dwarf and polymorph into that outsider dwarven ancestor

    You got that dwarfy belt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlzBreakMyCmpAn View Post
    Actually something suspiciously like that is already made. Check the UA prestige classes.

    Also be born dwarf and polymorph into that outsider dwarven ancestor

    You got that dwarfy belt?
    Dwarven artificer 20//warblade or crusader 20.

    Can't get much more dwarfy than that.

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    Now, as anyone who's played dwarf fortress knows, a dwarf isn't a dwarf unless he's on fire and doesn't care about it.

    Enter the Azerblood from dragon 350. They're dwarves that are also on fire, and since they're planetouched you can make them lesser and drop 'em down to +0 LA.

    Now, all you need is a favored enemy (animals) and a crippling fear of elephants, and you're good to go.

    Also, equip a belt of dwarvenkind, and UMD not being a dwarf to double up on your dwarvenness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadLinguist View Post
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    Also, equip a belt of dwarvenkind, and UMD not being a dwarf to double up on your dwarvenness.
    ROFL

    Does that actually work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saintjebus View Post
    ROFL

    Does that actually work?

    *Dodges DMG being thrown*
    I really hope it is so.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadLinguist View Post
    Now, as anyone who's played dwarf fortress knows, a dwarf isn't a dwarf unless he's on fire and doesn't care about it.
    On fire, covered in vomit, blood, and guts. Also he/she should be armed with a newly born, if possible.

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    I wonder if this gestalt dwarf monstrosity can squeeze in more Dwarfness than another gestalt build can squeeze in Bear-ness.

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    Not unless we can build a Were-dwarf template.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliomance View Post
    Not unless we can build a Were-dwarf template.
    Done.

    Bear-were.

    And what animal is more dwarf-like than the bear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lycanthromancer View Post
    Done.

    Bear-were.

    And what animal is more dwarf-like than the bear?
    The badger, naturally.

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    Stoneblessed from Races of Stone can make you count as a dwarf and gain dwarf-like bonuses... and doesn't disallow dwarves entry (not that a PaO couldn't get around that if it did).
    • Chameleon Base Class [3.5]/[PF]: A versatile, morphic class that mimics one basic party role (warrior, caster, sneak, etc) at a time. If you find yourself getting bored of any class you play too long, the Chameleon is for you!
    • Warlock Power Sources [3.5]: Making Hellfire Warlock part of the base class and providing other similar options for Warlocks whose powers don't come from devils.

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    EE's not even around anymore, Fool. You can drop it.
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    Ee? ......
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    EE's not even around anymore, Fool. You can drop it.
    It's an homage now. I said so. Therefore, it's true. Further discussion is invited via PM.

    Every single item this character has must be dwarvencraft, a quality I was not aware of a few days ago. Though there's no such thing as dwarvencraft darkwood, I believe the improvised weapon argument is enough to fuel everything metallic being dwarvencraft.

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