D&De-Motivators in the Playground

[Greenish]

Mental illness is outside the scope of alignments.

[hamishspence]

One of the Evil Tropes in Champions of Ruin is "Mad, I Tell You" where the character is "driven to acts that would horrify a demon"

The pictured character appears to be stitching together a flayed human skin.

So, you can have characters who are both "mad" and evil.

[Greenish]

So, you can have characters who are both "mad" and evil.

Obviously, but the two aren't interconnected.

[hamishspence]

True- but it does mean that

"a mad character can commit evil acts and still be Neutral" is not true- evil acts are still evil regardless of how mad the being committing them is.

They might stay neutral for a while, being characters who "commit evil acts unwittingly" if they are mad enough to not understand that their acts are evil,

but ultimately, enough "unwitting evil acts" should eventually change the character's alignment.

Derro in the MM, for example, are pretty much born mad- yet they're Chaotic Evil, not Chaotic Neutral.

[Math_Mage]

Why again?

All the other "heros" in that series are either laughing/ignoring at other's suffering, do it for the lulz and violence or are ploting to conquer the world.

In such a group, Rochasrk is pretty LG, trying to do what he believes is right and nost just what makes him feel better.

Plus, he does go after the bad guys, it's not like he's killing pregant women or plain genocide.

He's also the one wich spots that something is going horribly wrong in the party.

"Uh, well he pulled it on Rorschach and Rorschach dropped him down an elevator shaft."

Rorschach may be a Paladin, but he sure ain't a LG paladin.

Respect for authority/legality: zilch.
Rationality: maybe not zero, but pretty low.
Personal consistency: Hard to quantify. "Never compromise. Even in the face of Armageddon." But the rules he refuses to compromise seem erratic, eccentric, and insane to the rest of the world. Remember, the PHB textbook example of CG is a character that waylays tax collectors. "Evil must be punished" != Lawful.

Conclusion: Rorschach is Chaotic, but not Anarchic, by SonofZeal's system.

I'm not sure there is a Lawful Good character in Watchmen. The closest I can get is Dr. Manhattan, and I'd peg him more at LN. Ozymandias is that brand of LG which has gone so far around the bend it's come back as LE.

[Dr Bwaa]

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[term1nally s1ck]

I'm not sure there is a Lawful Good character in Watchmen. The closest I can get is Dr. Manhattan, and I'd peg him more at LN. Ozymandias is that brand of LG which has gone so far around the bend it's come back as LE.

Night Owl?

[Kobold-Bard]

Night Owl?

Neutral good. Quite happy to go around busting people out of prison after all.

[Fuzzie Fuzz]

Yeah, the thing with Watchmen is that there are no LG knights-in-shining-armor. I'd go with CG or CN for Rorschach, and really most of the Watchmen characters. They do good, but not in any remotely lawful way.

[term1nally s1ck]

Hmm....true.

I guess maybe only 1 or 2 of the original watchmen might qualify.

[Greenish]

Hmm....true.

I guess maybe only 1 or 2 of the original watchmen might qualify.

Hooded Justice, Captain Metropolis, yeah, maybe even Dollar Bill, though he worked for a bank. Corporations are Always Ebul!

[Edit]: Though Dollar Bill wasn't in Watchmen, if memory serves.

[Private-Prinny]

Rorschach: LN
Dr. Manhattan: N
Ozymandias: LG/LE
Nite Owl: NG
Silk Spectre: NG
The Comedian: CG

Just my 2 cp.

[Greenish]

Rorschach: LN
Dr. Manhattan: N
Ozymandias: LG/LE
Nite Owl: NG
Silk Spectre: NG
The Comedian: CG

Just my 2 cp.

No wai. The King of Kings isn't Lawful, and The Comedian sure as hell ain't Good.

[Private-Prinny]

No wai. The King of Kings isn't Lawful, and The Comedian sure as hell ain't Good.

Ok, I'll admit that The Comedian is probably CN, but I'm not budging on Ozzy. He decided that the best way to get the job done was to unite the countries against a bigger threat. He never went after the system, remained true to his code of conduct, and, most importantly, he felt remorse over each and every one of those deaths.

[Greenish]

Ok, I'll admit that The Comedian is probably CN,

I'd go with outright evil. He thought shooting civilians was funny and never regretted anything. He only broke when he figured how someone idealistic and goody-twoshoes was being a bigger cynic than him.

but I'm not budging on Ozzy. He decided that the best way to get the job done was to unite the countries against a bigger threat. He never went after the system, remained true to his code of conduct, and, most importantly, he felt remorse over each and every one of those deaths.

I'm not arguing the "good" part, but I fail to see the "lawful" part. True to his code of conduct? What?

[Eldan]

And yet it was still an incredibly, massively evil act.

Also, the comedian is pure CE.

[Private-Prinny]

Good/Evil is open to interpretation with Ozzy, but he was, at the very least, definitely not Chaotic.

[Kobold-Bard]

Good/Evil is open to interpretation with Ozzy, but he was, at the very least, definitely not Chaotic.

Wouldn't good through evil means balance out at Neutral?

[Private-Prinny]

Wouldn't good through evil means balance out at Neutral?

Maybe, but Ozzy doesn't strike me as TN.

[Deme]

Maybe, but Ozzy doesn't strike me as TN.

No, probably not. I'd call him NE, given that being a complete monster in the name of goodness still makes one a complete monster. The only way to be Good in the name of goodness is to act Good in the name of goodness. Which means Rorschach also does not apply. The fact of the matter is, the world of Watchmen is just crummy, crummy enough that to both of those characters, being Good just isn't good enough at getting good done.

edit: so...how about some motivators? I like all the thread-derailing motivators, they're actually the funniest of the thread.

[Archpaladin Zousha]

I thought this was about D&D motivational posters, not the alignments of the characters in Watchmen!

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[Talon Sky]

Mental illness is outside the scope of alignments.

Quoted for win. Can I put this in my sig? lol

[The Glyphstone]

I thought this was about D&D motivational posters, not the alignments of the characters in Watchmen!

Why are these exclusive again?

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[Mystic Muse]

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I have to use something like this for my current Paladin.

[Greenish]

Quoted for win. Can I put this in my sig? lol

Sure, go ahead. I've probably stolen it from somewhere anyway.

[Tavar]

Because someone asked for this ealier in the thread.

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[Ishcumbeebeeda]

How about this?

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[Tam_OConnor]

Posters!

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Her original outfit, for reference:

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The scene in question, for the interested

[Cieyrin]

Motivational Posters, we need moar!

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[The Dark Fiddler]

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Hm.... Boatmurdered?