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2010-05-05, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: D&De-Motivators in the Playground
Mental illness is outside the scope of alignments.
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2010-05-05, 03:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: D&De-Motivators in the Playground
One of the Evil Tropes in Champions of Ruin is "Mad, I Tell You" where the character is "driven to acts that would horrify a demon"
The pictured character appears to be stitching together a flayed human skin.
So, you can have characters who are both "mad" and evil.Marut-2 Avatar by Serpentine
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2010-05-05, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-05, 03:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: D&De-Motivators in the Playground
True- but it does mean that
"a mad character can commit evil acts and still be Neutral" is not true- evil acts are still evil regardless of how mad the being committing them is.
They might stay neutral for a while, being characters who "commit evil acts unwittingly" if they are mad enough to not understand that their acts are evil,
but ultimately, enough "unwitting evil acts" should eventually change the character's alignment.
Derro in the MM, for example, are pretty much born mad- yet they're Chaotic Evil, not Chaotic Neutral.Last edited by hamishspence; 2010-05-05 at 03:31 PM.
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2010-05-05, 04:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: D&De-Motivators in the Playground
"Uh, well he pulled it on Rorschach and Rorschach dropped him down an elevator shaft."
Rorschach may be a Paladin, but he sure ain't a LG paladin.
Respect for authority/legality: zilch.
Rationality: maybe not zero, but pretty low.
Personal consistency: Hard to quantify. "Never compromise. Even in the face of Armageddon." But the rules he refuses to compromise seem erratic, eccentric, and insane to the rest of the world. Remember, the PHB textbook example of CG is a character that waylays tax collectors. "Evil must be punished" != Lawful.
Conclusion: Rorschach is Chaotic, but not Anarchic, by SonofZeal's system.
I'm not sure there is a Lawful Good character in Watchmen. The closest I can get is Dr. Manhattan, and I'd peg him more at LN. Ozymandias is that brand of LG which has gone so far around the bend it's come back as LE.
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2010-05-05, 04:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-05, 04:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-05, 04:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-05, 05:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, the thing with Watchmen is that there are no LG knights-in-shining-armor. I'd go with CG or CN for Rorschach, and really most of the Watchmen characters. They do good, but not in any remotely lawful way.
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2010-05-05, 05:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hmm....true.
I guess maybe only 1 or 2 of the original watchmen might qualify.
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2010-05-05, 05:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-05, 05:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Rorschach: LN
Dr. Manhattan: N
Ozymandias: LG/LE
Nite Owl: NG
Silk Spectre: NG
The Comedian: CG
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2010-05-05, 05:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-05, 05:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ok, I'll admit that The Comedian is probably CN, but I'm not budging on Ozzy. He decided that the best way to get the job done was to unite the countries against a bigger threat. He never went after the system, remained true to his code of conduct, and, most importantly, he felt remorse over each and every one of those deaths.
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2010-05-05, 05:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'd go with outright evil. He thought shooting civilians was funny and never regretted anything. He only broke when he figured how someone idealistic and goody-twoshoes was being a bigger cynic than him.I'm not arguing the "good" part, but I fail to see the "lawful" part. True to his code of conduct? What?
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2010-05-05, 05:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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And yet it was still an incredibly, massively evil act.
Also, the comedian is pure CE.Resident Vancian Apologist
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2010-05-05, 05:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Good/Evil is open to interpretation with Ozzy, but he was, at the very least, definitely not Chaotic.
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2010-05-05, 05:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-05, 05:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-05, 06:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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No, probably not. I'd call him NE, given that being a complete monster in the name of goodness still makes one a complete monster. The only way to be Good in the name of goodness is to act Good in the name of goodness. Which means Rorschach also does not apply. The fact of the matter is, the world of Watchmen is just crummy, crummy enough that to both of those characters, being Good just isn't good enough at getting good done.
edit: so...how about some motivators? I like all the thread-derailing motivators, they're actually the funniest of the thread.Last edited by Deme; 2010-05-05 at 06:10 PM.
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2010-05-05, 06:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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I thought this was about D&D motivational posters, not the alignments of the characters in Watchmen!
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"Reach down into your heart and you'll find many reasons to fight. Survival. Honor. Glory. But what about those who feel it's their duty to protect the innocent? There you'll find a warrior savage enough to match any dragon, and in the end, they'll retain what the others won't. Their humanity."
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2010-05-05, 06:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-05, 06:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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NOW COMPLETE: Let's Play Starcraft II Trilogy:
Hell, It's About Time: Wings of Liberty
Does This Mutation Make Me Look Fat: Heart of the Swarm
My Life For Aiur? I Barely Know 'Er: Legacy of the Void
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2010-05-05, 06:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-05, 06:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-05, 07:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Because someone asked for this ealier in the thread.
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He fears his fate too much, and his reward is small, who will not put it to the touch, to win or lose it all.
-James Graham, 1st Marquess of Montrose
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2010-05-05, 07:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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How about this?
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2010-05-05, 08:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Posters!
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2010-05-05, 08:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Motivational Posters, we need moar!
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2010-05-05, 08:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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