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    Orc in the Playground
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    Default Untyped Damage.....

    yo, i was wondering how Untyped damage interacts with DR, immunities and the like.

    specifically, the Killing Shadows mystery from ToM

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    Range: 30 ft.
    Effect: Cone
    Duration: Instantaneous
    Saving Throw: Will half
    Spell Resistance: Yes
    Your eyes turn black and shoot forth a shadowy cone of punishment.
    Creatures within a cone of killing shadows take 1d8 points of damage per caster level (maximum 10d8), or half that amount on a successful Will save.

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    It bypasses.
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    Default Re: Untyped Damage.....

    Quote Originally Posted by sambo. View Post
    yo, i was wondering how Untyped damage interacts with DR, immunities and the like.

    specifically, the Killing Shadows mystery from ToM
    DR affects things that strike as weapons. Killing Shadows is (for the purposes of this discussion) a spell. It ignores DR.
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    Default Re: Untyped Damage.....

    Its a spell so by default it bypasses DR.

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    Orc in the Playground
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    d'oh. i didn't actually know that DR worked that way. pardonnez moi.

    and as it's "untyped" i assume that "immune to xXx" won't help at all?

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    Default Re: Untyped Damage.....

    Quote Originally Posted by sambo. View Post

    d'oh. i didn't actually know that DR worked that way. pardonnez moi.

    and as it's "untyped" i assume that "immune to xXx" won't help at all?
    Immune to X only blocks X. Untyped is Y. Or even Z: either way no blockage.

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    Orc in the Playground
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    Default Re: Untyped Damage.....

    and would i be right in thinking that once Killing Shadows becomes an Su ability, it then bypasses Spell Resistance?

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    Default Re: Untyped Damage.....

    Quote Originally Posted by sambo. View Post
    and would i be right in thinking that once Killing Shadows becomes an Su ability, it then bypasses Spell Resistance?
    No, it says right in the description that Spell Resistance can block it.

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    Orc in the Playground
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    Default Re: Untyped Damage.....

    Quote Originally Posted by The Cat Goddess View Post
    No, it says right in the description that Spell Resistance can block it.
    doesn't that only apply when cast as a Spell or as a Spell Like Ability?

    once a shadowcaster get's access to Master path mysteries, all their Initiate Path mysteries become Spell Like Abilities and their Apprentice Path mysteries become Supernatural abilities.....

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    Orc in the Playground
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    Default Re: Untyped Damage.....

    You're right, casting it as a Su ability (but not a spell-like ability) would bypass SR.

    SRD link

    Table: Special Ability Types

    {table]|Extraordinary|Spell-Like|Supernatural
    Dispel |No |Yes |No
    Spell resistance |No |Yes |No
    Antimagic field| No |Yes |Yes
    Attack of opportunity |No |Yes |No[/table]

    Dispel: Can dispel magic and similar spells dispel the effects of abilities of that type?

    Spell Resistance: Does spell resistance protect a creature from these abilities?

    Antimagic Field: Does an antimagic field or similar magic suppress the ability?

    Attack of Opportunity: Does using the ability provoke attacks of opportunity the way that casting a spell does?
    edit: @ Cat Goddess: There are various PRC features (dweomerkeeper comes to mind) that let you cast stuff as a Su ability, instead of as a spell. It can be rather broken, since doing such may bypass things like experience costs, etc. A more common and slightly less broken use for such abilities is to bypass SR.
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    Orc in the Playground
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    Default Re: Untyped Damage.....

    sweet!

    fyi: i'm playing a Noctumancer in a PbP campaign.

    looks like loading up on Apprentice Path mysteries might work out ok'ish late-game.

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    Default Re: Untyped Damage.....

    Quote Originally Posted by sambo. View Post

    d'oh. i didn't actually know that DR worked that way. pardonnez moi.

    and as it's "untyped" i assume that "immune to xXx" won't help at all?
    If "xXx" is "damage", then it will help. Otherwise, no.

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