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Thread: Best social skills class? [4E]
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2010-05-06, 07:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Best social skills class? [4E]
So I'm curious how one would build a diplomancer in 4E - a character with all of the social-related skills and most of the knowledges, probably with a high int and cha. This is just for fun, I won't be playing one any time soon. Mostly I'm just curious how far you can take the concept.
Class: Bard, maybe?
Race: Human?
Paragon path/epic destiny: ??
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2010-05-06, 07:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best social skills class? [4E]
Definitely Prescient Bard, with WIS for insight and perception. Unfortunately both reflex and fort will suffer. Consider Kalashtar for telepathy 5(or changeling, you can burn a feat for telepathy 5). Both races have cha boosts but kalashtar also get wis. Get Mark of Scribing AND Linguist; that's seven languages. Add a Gem of Colloquy, a Polyglot Gem and a false Blood amulet for three more languages. That should be all the languages in the game.
Last edited by cupkeyk; 2010-05-06 at 07:25 PM.
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2010-05-06, 07:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best social skills class? [4E]
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2010-05-06, 07:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best social skills class? [4E]
For telepathy there is also the shardmind, though it get +2 int instead of wis with a +2 cha.
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2010-05-06, 07:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-06, 10:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best social skills class? [4E]
At the cost of looking like something out of an arcade game =P
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2010-05-06, 11:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-06, 11:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best social skills class? [4E]
to correct myself, they have a two language net gain over kalashtar.
But yeah, shardminds are totally ugly.My mother says: those on fire should roll.
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2010-05-06, 11:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-06, 11:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best social skills class? [4E]
Half Elf fo sho. They get bonuses to Insight and Diplomacy, along with the aura for allies on Diplomacy checks and feats that can basically turn you all into Benjamin Franklin.
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2010-05-07, 12:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best social skills class? [4E]
The feat is called "becomer" from dragon 386. Choose a humanoid race, learn one additional language from their race block, gain +2 to one skill from their race block, gain +5 to disguise checks to imitate that race(on top of changeling disguise bonus).
That was why I pointed out the shardmind's telepathy is a racial feature and not a language, the changeling can choose kalashtar and choose telepathy but not shardmind. *shrug*Last edited by cupkeyk; 2010-05-07 at 12:25 AM.
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2010-05-07, 04:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best social skills class? [4E]
Surprisingly, Gnome Wizard is a good choice for this: a L2 utility power allows you to substitute Arcana for Bluff or Diplomacy.
But if you must 'mance anything, the way to go is an Intimidator. That's because an oft-overlooked rule allows you to force any bloodied monster to surrender with a successful Intimidate check. This falls squarely into "no sane DM would allow this" territory, but by RAW it is extremely powerful.Guide to the Magus, the Pathfinder Gish class.
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2010-05-07, 10:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best social skills class? [4E]
It is a standard action that requires beating their will by 10 in most cases (most things in combat are hostile!) (less if you are just dueling).
L/2 + stat + 5 trained + 3 feat (6 if you go hide in epic) +2/tier item (epic) + 2 background - L -12
= -L/2 + stat -4 + 2/tier +3 with epic in hide
modifier against DC 10
With +5 +L/6 stat, 2/tier turned to L/5, we get:
= +1 -.13L + 3 with epic hide
vs DC 10.
It is slightly more efficient than just killing a non-elite/solo. The problem is with elites/solos (and that can mostly be fixed by adding in their "save" bonus to this DC).
DMs can also make monsters that don't tend to surrender flee. Or have them go passive, but if you attack again they respond.
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2010-05-07, 07:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best social skills class? [4E]
+1 to this. Wizards gets some truly awesome, non-combat utility spells including memory to mist (ignore its purple rating, the rating system was designed for combat) and that ask a question truthfully utility at ten whose name evades me at the moment and I am too lazy to look up.
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2010-05-07, 08:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-07, 08:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best social skills class? [4E]
The problem is making the Intimidate check. Forcing a monster to surrender requires you to beat its Will plus a modifier if it's already hostile towards you. Which it generally is, given that you're trying to get it to surrender. On top of that, it's a one-shot deal: miss the check and you can't try again for that encounter.
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2010-05-07, 08:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best social skills class? [4E]
Given that wizards get so many good powers, would it be better to go straight wizard or take bard (or another class) and then several multiclass power swap feats for the tasty utility powers?
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2010-05-08, 03:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best social skills class? [4E]
Sure. However, you can affect multiple monsters with the same standard action, giving you pretty good odds of hitting at least one.
There's also more feats and items that boost your intimidate check than that boost your attack roll, so that -10 penalty is not insurmountable. This is the closest thing 4E has to save-or-die effects (even if, like I already said, most DMs would veto it on grounds of being lame and/or cheesy).
Wizard and bard have very poor synergy: one runs on intelligence and tries to boost arcana, the other runs on charisma and tries to boost bluff. I'd pick one or the other, but not both.Guide to the Magus, the Pathfinder Gish class.
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