Wand with Metamagic

[The Cat Goddess]

I've seen in a module an NPC carrying a Wand of Enlarged Fireballs...

Would it be possible for a Wizard (with the appropriate feats) to create a Wand of Easy (-1 spell level) Quickened (+4 spell level) True Strike?

[Doc Roc]

There are two or three good ways to do this, one of which is the simple and unpleasantly uncomplicated metamagic wandgrip.

[Lycanthromancer]

I've seen in a module an NPC carrying a Wand of Enlarged Fireballs...

Would it be possible for a Wizard (with the appropriate feats) to create a Wand of Easy (-1 spell level) Quickened (+4 spell level) True Strike?

Transcription error? Maybe it was an enlarged wand of fireball, designed for a cloud giant?

[The Cat Goddess]

There are two or three good ways to do this, one of which is the simple and unpleasantly uncomplicated metamagic wandgrip.

I'm more thinking of items that a wizard boss could craft for his field commanders to use.

[Pluto]

I've seen in a module an NPC carrying a Wand of Enlarged Fireballs...

I'm not sure it's RAW, but it's not unreasonable.

Would it be possible for a Wizard (with the appropriate feats) to create a Wand of Easy (-1 spell level) Quickened (+4 spell level) True Strike?

Easy wouldn't apply.
But given its cost, I wouldn't object.
(It's like a legitimate Wand of Wraithstrike, but at 4x the price)

[QuantumSteve]

While you can apply metamagic to a wand, the level cap still applies. That Wand of Enlarged Fireballs is clearly a mistake on the part of the author of the module.

As for Easy Metamagic, I'm not sure if it can be put in wands. It's not actually a metamagic feat. More of a meta-metamagic feat, really

[The Cat Goddess]

I'm not sure it's RAW, but it's not unreasonable.

Easy wouldn't apply.
But given its cost, I wouldn't object.
(It's like a legitimate Wand of Wraithstrike, but at 4x the price)

Actually, I much prefer the True Strike vs. Wraithstrike... because it obviates Miss Chance.

[Doc Roc]

While you can apply metamagic to a wand, the level cap still applies. That Wand of Enlarged Fireballs is clearly a mistake on the part of the author of the module.

As for Easy Metamagic, I'm not sure if it can be put in wands. It's not actually a metamagic feat. More of a meta-metamagic feat, really

This is actually wrong. MMs only raise spell slot, not spell level.

Excluding a few famous offenders.

[The Cat Goddess]

While you can apply metamagic to a wand, the level cap still applies. That Wand of Enlarged Fireballs is clearly a mistake on the part of the author of the module.

As for Easy Metamagic, I'm not sure if it can be put in wands. It's not actually a metamagic feat. More of a meta-metamagic feat, really

Why would that be a mistake? Enlarge Spell is only +1, and even if you say an Enlarged Fireball is a 4th level spell, you can put spells of up to 4th level in a Wand.

Which is why I initially felt you'ed need "Easy" to make a Quickened Wand of True Strike.

[QuantumSteve]

This is actually wrong. MMs only raise spell slot, not spell level.

Excluding a few famous offenders.

From the SRD (Emphasis mine)
Magic Items and Metamagic Spells

With the right item creation feat, you can store a metamagic version of a spell in a scroll, potion, or wand. Level limits for potions and wands apply to the spell’s higher spell level (after the application of the metamagic feat). A character doesn’t need the metamagic feat to activate an item storing a metamagic version of a spell.

Why would that be a mistake? Enlarge Spell is only +1, and even if you say an Enlarged Fireball is a 4th level spell, you can put spells of up to 4th level in a Wand.

Which is why I initially felt you'ed need "Easy" to make a Quickened Wand of True Strike.

My bad. I some how thought Enlarge was +2. That's all good.

[Math_Mage]

If you want to break the game by metamagicking wands, there's already a way to do that. If you just want to use metamagicked wands, the SRD is plenty happy to let you.

[The Cat Goddess]

If you want to break the game by metamagicking wands, there's already a way to do that. If you just want to use metamagicked wands, the SRD is plenty happy to let you.

If you're referring to Metamagic Wandgrip... I'm lazy. What book is that in?

[Mastikator]

I'm pretty sure Epic Wands are above level 10 by having metamagic applied, i.e maximized meteorswarm or twinned energy drain or what have you.

So yeah. Epic :P

[Superglucose]

I've seen in a module an NPC carrying a Wand of Enlarged Fireballs...

What is possibly gained by Enlarging fireball? It's already long-range, why do you need to fire fireballs at things that are a mile away?

[Keld Denar]

Why you ask?

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[Greenish]

What is possibly gained by Enlarging fireball? It's already long-range, why do you need to fire fireballs at things that are a mile away?

If, say, an orphanage suddenly and without provocation attacks you from a mile away, why, you'd want to be able to defend yourself!

[Edit]: Somewhat related query: if you have a spell on your list as a higher level spell, can you use it from a wand of lower level?

For example, Holy Sword is a 4th level spell for a paladin, and could thus made a wand, but it's 5th level spell for a cleric with Glory domain. Could the cleric use the wand without UMD?

[Teron]

From the SRD (Emphasis mine)
Magic Items and Metamagic Spells

With the right item creation feat, you can store a metamagic version of a spell in a scroll, potion, or wand. Level limits for potions and wands apply to the spell’s higher spell level (after the application of the metamagic feat). A character doesn’t need the metamagic feat to activate an item storing a metamagic version of a spell.

Technically, that doesn't apply to most metamagic feats since they don't change the spell's level.

Of course, RAI is obvious in this case.

[QuantumSteve]

What is possibly gained by Enlarging fireball? It's already long-range, why do you need to fire fireballs at things that are a mile away?

Tactical Nuke? Really, though, it would help if fireball didn't suck. Lousy overinflated 3E hitpoints ruining fireball.

Edit: Hee-Hee! Flamethrower :evilgrin:

[senrath]

[Edit]: Somewhat related query: if you have a spell on your list as a higher level spell, can you use it from a wand of lower level?

For example, Holy Sword is a 4th level spell for a paladin, and could thus made a wand, but it's 5th level spell for a cleric with Glory domain. Could the cleric use the wand without UMD?

I'm pretty sure you can. I'm not 100% sure it's RAW, but that's generally how I play it.

[tyckspoon]

For example, Holy Sword is a 4th level spell for a paladin, and could thus made a wand, but it's 5th level spell for a cleric with Glory domain. Could the cleric use the wand without UMD?

Yes. Wands only check that the spell is on your spell list in some fashion; the level you use it is irrelevant to the wand, which uses its own set DCs, caster level, and anything else where the character's personal statistics might be relevant to the spell.

[QuantumSteve]

Technically, that doesn't apply to most metamagic feats since they don't change the spell's level.

Of course, RAI is obvious in this case.

It's an oddly written rule at best. And worded differently every time it comes up. Although whenever it says "doesn't change the level" or something to that effect, it immediately follows up with a clause about not affecting saving throws. So that helps RAI out a bit.

[The Cat Goddess]

Enlarge increases the area of the Fireball. The character in question was on board a ship, shooting Enlarged Fireballs into the town to soften up the defenses for the assault troops.

[Vizzerdrix]

As for Easy Metamagic, I'm not sure if it can be put in wands. It's not actually a metamagic feat. More of a meta-metamagic feat, really

One might even call it a Betta meta magic feat

[Keld Denar]

No. Enlarge increases the RANGE of the fireball.

Widen increases the area.

[senrath]

No. Enlarge increases the RANGE of the fireball.

Widen increases the area.

Yeah, I'm not sure why they called it "Enlarge Spell" since it doesn't, y'know, make the spell bigger.

[The Cat Goddess]

Ah... Well, increased range is still useful for attacking a city.

[BobVosh]

Wands of enlarge fireball work wonders in naval fights.

[QuantumSteve]

The character in question was on board a ship, shooting Enlarged Fireballs into the town to soften up the defenses for the assault troops.

That sounds familiar. Was this from the...

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Savage Tide AP?

Edit: Gah! how do I hint the spoiler without spoiling it???

[The Cat Goddess]

That sounds familiar. Was this from the Savage Tide AP?

Yeah...

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the party is just about to fight Vanthus (the Death Knight version). Those Shadow Demons that do Vile damage vs. Touch AC are brutal for CR-12 monsters... but what do you expect for a MoB from BoVD?

[Keld Denar]

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