Chrono Trigger Much?

[Saint GoH]

After reliving a few levels of this fantastic game, I decided to get creative and re-create Ozzie, Slash, and Flea as D&D 3.X enemies. Here's what I have thus far:

Ozzie: Completely lost. Not a clue. Artificer mayhap?

Slash: (Race?) Warblade + Interesting PrC?

Flea: Changling Sorcerer/Wilder/Cerebremancer

I would of course like them to synergize fairly well. Thus, Ozzie could kinda stand in the back and do his weird spells/devices he always used, Slash would be up close and personal in the front lines doing all sorts of crazy sword tricks, and Flea would be buffing crazy swordsman and alternately blasting people.

[Sir Homeslice]

Flea? Blast? Are we playing the same CT? Because last I remember, most of what Flea did was throw statuses everywhere, mostly Confusion.

As for their classes, I have no clue what Ozzie is, though fluff states he's a magician of some sort. Flea's an enchanter through and through.

[CrypticOcean]

Ozzie would likely be an...Abjurer...perhaps a Conjurer? The only notable things he ever does in a fight is either make himself hard to kill or summon something else to do his dirty work.

Slash actually strikes me as being more of a Swordsage, due to his lack of armour and his slightly supernatural attacks. (At least, I recall some of his sword techniques doing things that seemed supernatural.)

Flea...yes, I would say Enchanter, or if he must go Sorceror, he could choose equal parts Enchantmant and Evocation.

[Saint GoH]

Good point... Specialist Wizard then? Focus in Enchanting? Are there any PrC's that enhance this? Currently away from books >.<

[CrypticOcean]

Most of the Enchantment-focused Prestige Classes focus on the Dominate and Charm spell line, although I have never played an Enchanter, so I am not familiar with them.

However, the Master Specialist from the Complete Mage does give an Enchanter some nifty abilities, the first of which allows their Charm spells to not take a penalty when cast upon a hostile target, and Compulsion spells do not grant an automatic save for attempting to make the target do something against its nature. Among other bonuses that the class grants you.

[Learnedguy]

Considering how useless Ozzie was, you might as well make him an expert with maxed ranks of craft (trap) and the feat "Run"

Then you give him some handy protection from save-or-die spells so your players can't finish him from afar.

[Sir Homeslice]

Considering how useless Ozzie was, you might as well make him an expert with maxed ranks of craft (trap) and the feat "Run"

... But it's heavily implied that Ozzie taught Magus how to Magus.

[Learnedguy]

... But it's heavily implied that Ozzie taught Magus how to Magus.

You mean by the way Magus was born in the time of Everyone's a Mage and then time jumped to the AD 600 and met Ozzie?

[Skaven]

Wasn't Ozzie the one who polymorphed Glenn into an anthro Frog? He'd definitely have Polymorph any object or something alone those lines.

[Fruchtkracher]

no the form shaping was definitely magus himself.
though it appeared that ozzie was the one controlled all the undead in the castle,
so maybe necromancer would be more fitting.
actually, remember the scene on the bridge? he definitely has animate dead!

[Kurald Galain]

Wasn't Ozzie the one who polymorphed Glenn into an anthro Frog?

No, that was Magus.

And it strikes me as more plausible that it was Magus who taught Ozzie how to, you know, Ozzie, rather than the other way around.

[Eldariel]

Flea never once attacked you. Closest thing he had to an attack was having one character attack two others. He's Enchanter/Nightmare Spinner (Enchantment Adaptation) throwing nasty enchantment/illusion-based spells around (Remember him as a bat? Yeah, he knows some illusion or polymorphing; more likely illusion since he didn't turn into anything unsightly during the fight).

Flash teleports around the place in addition to flurrying from hell and having counterattacks. Warblade/Swordsage, use Desert Wind stuff as the Slash-move itself. Maybe give him Mage Slayer and company.

Ozzie is obviously a caster. Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil who's really bad with his spells? He floats and teleports and creates an impregnable barrier, but he isn't really much of a combatant, at least without Slash and Flea. Bard-based Initiate Inspiring Flash & Flea?

[true_shinken]

In Chrono Cross, Flea has a few fire spells.

[Sir Homeslice]

You mean by the way Magus was born in the time of Everyone's a Mage and then time jumped to the AD 600 and met Ozzie?

Except it's stated in-game that Magus had no magical aptitude whatsoever, or at least at the time he showed about as much magic talent as a slug proves capable of diving into a bucket of salt without dying horrible.

[Prime32]

I second Ozzie as Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil.

[Hand_of_Vecna]

Third, just have him be a focused specialist with like conjuration, transmutaion, evocation banned so he's a total gimp.

Magus is something along the lines of caster base class 8/IotSFV 7/Shadowcraftmage 5. I'd do wizard because he seems studous though you could just as eaily make him a unusually intelligen soceror to reflect videogame style casting.

[Prime32]

Magus
NE Human prodigy (Charisma) Battle sorcerer 10/Abjurant champion 5/Initiate of the sevenfold veil 3/Archmage (Mastery of Elements) 2
Feats: Exotic Weapon Proficiency (scythe), Sanctum Spell

A psionic build might also work, with Dark Matter as tornado blast.

[Eldariel]

Except it's stated in-game that Magus had no magical aptitude whatsoever, or at least at the time he showed about as much magic talent as a slug proves capable of diving into a bucket of salt without dying horrible.

It's heavily implied Magus was hiding his talents: Melchior says Janus's power even exceeds Schala's, while the simplefolk of Zeal are the ones stating Janus has no powers whatsoever. Chances are he wouldn't be anywhere near as powerful as he was with someone like Ozzie teaching him if he didn't have incredible natural aptitude. And chances are Ozzie would've just killed him had he not been able to blast the Imps into oblivion. And chances are he wouldn't have become the leader of the Mystics otherwise.

[Learnedguy]

Except it's stated in-game that Magus had no magical aptitude whatsoever, or at least at the time he showed about as much magic talent as a slug proves capable of diving into a bucket of salt without dying horrible.

Considering the first thing he does when he meets you is predicting the death of Crono, I quite frankly doubt that.

[gallagher]

actually, with an ozzie, a slash, and a flea, you could instead make it three bards, thanks to Ozzie Osbourne, Slash from Guns n Roses and Velvet Revolver, and Flea from Red Hot Chili Peppers.

with that in mind, Ozzie can go for the prestige class that gives bards sorceror spells, Slash could go for a more martial bard, maybe be an arcane duelist or something along those lines? Flea, as a bassist, would make a good buff-sorceror, as bassists tend to be good at making other people be better.

[Kurald Galain]

actually, with an ozzie, a slash, and a flea, you could instead make it three bards, thanks to Ozzie Osbourne, Slash from Guns n Roses and Velvet Revolver, and Flea from Red Hot Chili Peppers.

Um, yeah... why do you think they have those names in the first place?

[gallagher]

Um, yeah... why do you think they have those names in the first place?

i have no knowledge of chrono trigger, so i wiki'd it, and according to ctrl-F, there are characters whose english versions of them are named flea and slash. that is pretty much all i had to go off of

[Eldariel]

i have no knowledge of chrono trigger, so i wiki'd it, and according to ctrl-F, there are characters whose english versions of them are named flea and slash. that is pretty much all i had to go off of

Yeah, they were named Ozzie, Flea and Slash after said musicians. Also, the three gurus of Zeal were named Melchior, Gaspar and Belthazar after the noncanonical wisemen.

By the way, I'm noticing multiple people in this thread not having played CT. I don't really care how you do it; emulate if you have to, but that's one experience in your life not worth missing, especially if you're at all into RPGs (and as you are here, you are). Even my friend who otherwise hates JRPGs loved CT and played it through (by comparison, he quit FF7 after the first real boss battle).

[true_shinken]

By the way, I'm noticing multiple people in this thread not having played CT. I don't really care how you do it; emulate if you have to, but that's one experience in your life not worth missing, especially if you're at all into RPGs (and as you are here, you are).

This. Chrono Trigger is amazing. If at all possible, try the playstation version for the videos.

[OracleofWuffing]

Yeah, they were named Ozzie, Flea and Slash after said musicians.

Weren't they "originally" named after condiments or something? Soy Sauce I remember, but not the other ones.

Anyhow, however you class Flea, that one's going to be an elf and pull the whole gender-uncertain stuff all over again.

[Eldariel]

Weren't they "originally" named after condiments or something? Soy Sauce I remember, but not the other ones.

Vinegar (Ozzie), Soy Sauce (Slash) and Mayonnaise (Flea), to be precise.

Anyhow, however you class Flea, that one's going to be an elf and pull the whole gender-uncertain stuff all over again.

Should be outsider, IMHO. "Male or female, what's the difference? Beauty is power and I have beauty." Doesn't sound like an androgynous elf, but rather someone who's very certain that she's a male and beautiful enough to kick butt.

[Deth Muncher]

This. Chrono Trigger is amazing. If at all possible, try the playstation version for the videos.

Or, do the new DS version for the videos with the load time of the SNES version (aka, none). I've got the SNES version emulated and almost beaten, but I just bought the DS version a while back, so I'm itching to try it out this summer.

[deuxhero]

Magus
NE Human prodigy (Charisma) Battle sorcerer 10/Abjurant champion 5/Initiate of the sevenfold veil 3/Archmage (Mastery of Elements) 2
Feats: Exotic Weapon Proficiency (scythe), Sanctum Spell

A psionic build might also work, with Dark Matter as tornado blast.

Scythe is martial.

I'd recomend normal sorcerer and prcing out asap. You lose the benifits if you PRC, but you keep the penalties.

[Prime32]

It's heavily implied Magus was hiding his talents: Melchior says Janus's power even exceeds Schala's

That was a mistranslation. He was supposed to say the Prophet's power even exceeds Schala's. Basically, Magus clawed his way up from nothing to become the greatest sorcerer of all time, who even the God of War says "could teach [him] a thing or two".

Another infamous line was "Someone close to you needs help. Find this person, fast!" which many fans took as evidence of a secret quest to save Schala but was actually "Talk to your party members for side-quests".

Then there was a line someone said about "EnergyWhirls", which was supposed to tell you that using the Slash attack on MasaMune stopped him from charging energy.


The DS version fixes these, but it also removes Frog's Shakespearian accent. (I feel it added quite a bit to his character - note that he only takes it up after he resolves to avenge his hero) Mazoku is translated as Fiends instead of Mystics, and Magus is referred to as Fiendlord half the time.

Interestingly, the DS version also adds a bonus dungeon with an additional ending which ties the story closer to Chrono Cross.

[Hand_of_Vecna]

I've been spoiled by the emulator and I don't know if I could play through the DS version without the ability to switch to 10 times speed and auto attack when I want to grind or run through an easy area after a side quest.