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    Default 3.5 Optimization Challenge: An Elephant Who Never Forgets - TO KILL

    I present to you, my fellow forum-goers, a challenge: Make the most interesting/deadly character possible, using an awakened elephant as the race. No good alignment allowed: this Elephant is a killer, not a lover.
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    Ring of Evasion means never playing a monk with monk levels again. There is just no reason to dip that stuff. I know we're all about using every part of the buffalo here, but can we just admit that it's inedible?

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    Option 1: Druid
    Option 2: Barbarian/Frenzied Berserker
    Option 3: Hulking Hurler/War Hulk

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    Default Re: 3.5 Optimization Challenge: An Elephant Who Never Forgets - TO KILL

    What are the stats for the Elephant? Regardless Wizard 20
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    I can do you one better than mere Awakened Elephant.

    Half-Minotaur Incarnate Warforged Were-elephant. Add levels of War Hulk to taste.
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    Default Re: 3.5 Optimization Challenge: An Elephant Who Never Forgets - TO KILL

    Note that I said interesting, as well as deadly, so resorting to old an standby will disappoint me greatly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Roc View Post
    Ring of Evasion means never playing a monk with monk levels again. There is just no reason to dip that stuff. I know we're all about using every part of the buffalo here, but can we just admit that it's inedible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose87 View Post
    Note that I said interesting, as well as deadly, so resorting to old an standby will disappoint me greatly.
    Option 4: Cancer Mage

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    Default Re: 3.5 Optimization Challenge: An Elephant Who Never Forgets - TO KILL

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose87 View Post
    Note that I said interesting, as well as deadly, so resorting to old an standby will disappoint me greatly.
    Fighter 20. At level 1, the Elephant takes Exotic Weapon Proficiency (firearms), and uses the firearm rules from the DMG to shoot people.

    There, that different enough for you?
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    Default Re: 3.5 Optimization Challenge: An Elephant Who Never Forgets - TO KILL

    Bear Warrior. I mean, you're an Elephant, that CAN TURN INTO A BEAR.

    As for powerful? Well, you qualify for size-based feats. Use improved grab and the multigrab chain, then get drunken master/hulking hurler and bloodstorm blade in, and you can throw people at people, and have the first people come back to your hand. How awesome is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by term1nally s1ck View Post
    As for powerful? Well, you qualify for size-based feats. Use improved grab and the multigrab chain, then get drunken master/hulking hurler and bloodstorm blade in, and you can throw people at people, and have the first people come back to your hand. How awesome is that?
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    Ring of Evasion means never playing a monk with monk levels again. There is just no reason to dip that stuff. I know we're all about using every part of the buffalo here, but can we just admit that it's inedible?

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    Are Loxo, Maelephant or Thaskor allowed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodan View Post
    Option 1: Druid
    Option 2: Barbarian/Frenzied Berserker
    Option 3: Hulking Hurler/War Hulk
    I won the first BG Iron Chef contest with an elephant hulking hurler...

    Well, technically I had to go with centaur, but the optimized build was Druid 17/Hulking Hurler 3, noting that a standard elephant has immensely strong trunk, able to lift entire trees from its roots. Then add +16 Str to that from Bite of the Weretiger, plus the feat to quadruple carrying capacity, and the result was an incredibly damaging hulking hurler.

    And with your own elephant animal companion, you always have something to hurl at opponents.
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    Default Re: 3.5 Optimization Challenge: An Elephant Who Never Forgets - TO KILL

    On an off-note, thank you for reminding me of that Futurama episode.
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    I considered making one using the Book of Erotic Fantasy for a grappler who...ahem...crushed his victims to death.*

    But I don't think I will.





    *That's what we call a REAL assplomancer, son.
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    Ah, this brings up memories of Dwarf Fortress. Give the elephant multiple ways to sever limbs, absurd aggression problems (barbarian?) and a penchant for burning to death in lava, along with the ability to ignore crossbow bolts through several organs.

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    Awakened Divine Minion of Sebek (for Evil Outsider type at +1 LA) Elephant 13/Warlock 1/Fiend of Possession 6.

    Every villain the PC's ever face should end up being a dastardly 5 ton elephant in disguise. It would be fantastic.
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    Divine minion of Set elephant totemist bear warrior with the Blessed of Tem-Et-Nu and Lich Loved feats.

    Think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pluto View Post
    Awakened Divine Minion of Sebek (for Evil Outsider type at +1 LA) Elephant 13/Warlock 1/Fiend of Possession 6.

    Every villain the PC's ever face should end up being a dastardly 5 ton elephant in disguise. It would be fantastic.
    That... I may have to use that, now. You kill the evil mayor and a demonic elephant warlock pops out.

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    I don't want to think about that. Might be the most awesome family tree ever though.

    Seconding fiend of posession. For the lulz.

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    Default Re: 3.5 Optimization Challenge: An Elephant Who Never Forgets - TO KILL

    I prefer the complete opposite. A awakened elephant rogue/assassin. Sneaking around, dressed in tight black clothes and backstabbing his friendly neighbors. Very discreet.
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    A phrenic incarnate construct effigy lycanthrope (T-Rex) elephant dragonfire adept/warlock/dread pirate.

    Yes, it's a psychic t-rex transformer elephant pirate that breathes fire, with frickin' laser beams firing from its frickin' eyes.

    Alternately...

    A deity kaiju elephant cleric 20/druid 20.

    AIEEEE! IT'S GODZILLAPHANT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lycanthromancer View Post
    A phrenic incarnate construct effigy lycanthrope (T-Rex) elephant dragonfire adept/warlock/dread pirate.

    Yes, it's a psychic t-rex transformer elephant pirate that breathes fire, with frickin' laser beams firing from its frickin' eyes.
    In other words, it's a robot dinosaur that shoots beams when it roars.

    In other news, I am totally making every single villain in my next campaign an elephant. Especially the bands of kobolds.

    "Okay, you dealt 11 damage to the kobold, killing him. You suddenly realise it's an elephant."
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    And two out of three leading anthropomorphic personifications of death agree on the matter.
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    Elephant bard with Perform (Ballet) and Leap Attack.

    How about an elephant bard/loremaster, for an elephant that REALLY doesn't forget?

    A pseudonatural farspawn half-aboleth weresquid elephant wizard/alienist. More tentacles than any elephant has a right to.

    Half-fiend half-celestial midget dvati were-elephant. One for each shoulder.

    A rare pink elephant drunken master with a ring of superior invisibility.
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    Stampy
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    Huge Magical Beast (Augmented Animal) currently Gargantuan
    Racial HD 13/ Ur-Priest 7
    Divine Metamagic: Persistent, Ability Focus: Trample
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    Strength 40 +15 (30 base, +6 Enhancement, +4 Size)
    Trample damage 2d8+22, average 31

    Assuming 20 hours remains on Footsteps, that's +120,000 ft. for one round, plus the initial +50 ft. it grants, on the elephant's 40 ft. land speed. That's 120,090 ft. land speed, it moves double speed when Trampling, and he occupies a 20 ft. space, or sixteen squares, so he can trample 768,576 squares in a single round. Also, I'm pretty sure nothing in the rules says you can't trample back over the same creatures multiple times. Given ideal circumstances (32 medium creatures in a 20x40 ft room), Stampy can trample out an average of 23,825,856 damage in a single round.

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    Insectile elephant monk. Name it Ganesh.
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    Default Re: 3.5 Optimization Challenge: An Elephant Who Never Forgets - TO KILL

    This thread is made of win. I especially like some of Lycanthromancer's basic ideas: an Egypt-flavored Undead Totemist elephant, and a ballet-based elephant.

    I would also like to nominate:

    An elephant factotum with a monocle and a British accent. Maybe Factotum/Archivist?

    An elephant Ranger with favored enemies Animal and Humanoid (human) and an Australian accent. Named Steve.

    An elephant Binder/Knight of the Sacred Seal. With a focus on the vestige Dantalion, makes a great "never forgets" theme. (Too bad Scion of Dantalion is human-only ...)

    EDIT: Really, any character concept is just better when you add in "elephant."

    A vengeful elephant Hexblade/Blackguard?

    A Spymaster focused on Disguise? (That should go over well.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lycanthromancer View Post
    Insectile elephant monk. Name it Ganesh.
    But only if he befriends an awakened wombat.

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    elephant assassin?
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    wizard 20 :)

    Although, every wizard needs a good meat shield, and an elephant chain tripper would rule!

    joking aside, Biffoniacus_Furiou has the perfect build. with it having 13 useless RHD it is in a pretty bad place to begin with... Ur Priest is the best solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arguskos View Post
    Fighter 20. At level 1, the Elephant takes Exotic Weapon Proficiency (firearms), and uses the firearm rules from the DMG to shoot people.

    There, that different enough for you?
    If the firearm is an heavy machine gun instead of the DMG ones, you sold it to me.

    Alternatively, an awakened elephant with a flame thrower and a permanent insanity effect...
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    Default Re: 3.5 Optimization Challenge: An Elephant Who Never Forgets - TO KILL

    Step 1: take famous fictional character.

    Step 2: change race to awakened elefant.

    Don't believe me?

    Elephana Jones: Awakened Elephant Rogue 3/Archivist 4. Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Whip.

    Obi-phant Kenobi: Awakened Elephant Soulknife 3/Swordsage 5.

    Continue until awesome is achieved.


    Alternatively: Were-rat elephant. Because I always wanted to see an elephant transform into a mouse.
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