The Adventures of Knight and Rogue

[Dishwatat]

My friend and I started The World's Largest Dungeon with 2 characters. A Rogue and a Knight. Our DM thinks this is impossible, but we plan to prove him wrong. If you're interested in seeing half the average party size attempt to conquer a dungeon spanning character levels 1-20, stay tuned!

Prologue: The Characters
First, we will introduce Rogue. Rogue is a ladies man, and few have been seen who can shoot a crossbow better than him. His hobbies include disarming traps, picking pockets, and long walks on the beach.
Feats:
Point Blank Shot
Precise Shot
Preferred Weapons:
Short Sword
Crossbow (any).
Now, without any further ado, Knight is here to tell you a little bit about himself.

Knight is a noble and humble man, who enjoys referring to himself in the third person. His strength is notable, and his endurance is the subject of the songs of bards! With axe and halberd, he plans to explore this dungeon, slaying monsters and gathering wealth. His feats include power attack, Cleave, and Combat reflexes, the first of which is part of his class training.

Together, they fight crime. explore dungeons.

[Rixx]

This sounds incredible. I wish you two the best of luck!

[NekoJoker]

yeah I want to know how you guys face this challenge.
Keep us posted

[Darklord Xavez]

yeah I want to know how you guys face this challenge.
Keep us posted

Double entendre FTW!

Anyways: This seems good. Will subscribe to this and watch intently.
-Xavez

[Flickerdart]

Stand-still on the enemies and let Rogue pick them off from the shadows? Seems like a workable tactic.

[Greenish]

With axe and halberd, he plans to explore this dungeon, slaying monsters and gathering wealth.

Be warned, unless houseruled otherwise, halberd doesn't have reach.

[Enix18]

You guys actually posted about this? You're both ridiculous...

*sigh* Well, since it seems you've already gotten some fans, I guess I have no choice but to actually DM this. Don't say I didn't warn you, though! (I'm predicting death by stirges and darkmantles.)

[Piedmon_Sama]

Good luck, guys! I'm pulling for you. :3

[GenPol]

Should be fun. Short maybe, but fun nonetheless! Good luck.

[The Bellmaker]

We shall totally accomplish this! As noble Knight, I shall ascertain that my full 15 hp stand between rogue and danger!

I...am heavy weapons guy. Tiny puny babies will all die![/thickrussianaccent]

But yeah. I think I'll be mostly using the halberd, and only bust out the shield when I need to. Unless... *plots quietly*

[Piedmon_Sama]

If your gear includes a shield, why not carry a tower shield on your back, so you can just spin around to act as moving cover for your rogue buddy? Also you might want to look at the Shield Charge feat from Complete Warrior.... run into somebody and clotheline them with your shield, good times, good times...

[Greenish]

If your gear includes a shield, why not carry a tower shield on your back, so you can just spin around to act as moving cover for your rogue buddy?

Heh, doesn't work that way, but it'd be amusing.

[Lord Vampyre]

Remember, if all else fails.........run away. I once went into this particular dungeon and kept losing half my party, mainly because they couldn't remember that running is a very important tactic.

Good Luck!!!

[The Bellmaker]

Of course, of course...It's all so clear now! I have it! *maniacal laughter*.

Also, just took a look into my PHBII and found out I was using...not the knight. I found a bad wiki...

And must restat! Well, no, not really. Just going to be trading around feats a bit, since knights do not actually get Power Attack. Which, of course, invalidates cleave. Since my DM has found this thread, this is fair warning. Trading Cleave for Armour Focus [Heavy]. And Combat reflexes is dropped for Armour Specialization [Heavy].

[AtopTheMountain]

Not sure how long you'll last without a mage and a healer, but I'm supporting you! Good luck!

[Human Paragon 3]

This sounds awesome. I will be watching this carefully!

[Dishwatat]

Thanks everyone! We're gonna do this! I had no idea we'd get this big of a response! For YOU, the faithful supporters, WE WILL NOT FALL!!!!!!
Do your worst Dungeon Master!

[The Bellmaker]

Dear lord. DM, ignore him.

Okay, friend, I know you haven't run with him as DM very much, but trust me when I say this: He accepts those challenges. With gusto. And then we die horribly.

Just...don't say that sort of thing. It's along the lines of "How can it be any worse?" or "What else can go wrong?"

[kestrel404]

I have two tips for beating the first map of the dungeon: The knight should take blindfighting (I'd recommend it for the rogue as well, except you can't deal sneak attack damage if you've got any miss chance, so it's not really worth the feat). Second, if it is attached to your head, you don't have to roll against a miss chance for not being able to see it!

That is all.

[The Bellmaker]

Hopefully, a 20-22 AC will help, along with a very nice AoO plan, but...stirges and darkmantles. Oh, for the old days of Piercers...

[Critical]

All these guys need to do is get to level 6, get Leadership and get casters for themselves. YOU CAN DO IT!!!

[Escheton]

but how will the casters do trying to get to them?

the adventures of Cleric and Sorcerer

[Dishwatat]

I have two tips for beating the first map of the dungeon: The knight should take blindfighting (I'd recommend it for the rogue as well, except you can't deal sneak attack damage if you've got any miss chance, so it's not really worth the feat). Second, if it is attached to your head, you don't have to roll against a miss chance for not being able to see it!

That is all.

While I appreciate the help, Knight and I want to do this fairly, so I would request no information on the dungeon. Suggestions for improving our character's are completely welcome though! Leadership is a must have, and I really want combat expertise for any sticky situations.

[Murdim]

My friend and I started The World's Largest Dungeon with 2 characters. A Rogue and a Knight. Our DM thinks this is impossible, but we plan to prove him wrong. If you're interested in seeing half the average party size attempt to conquer a dungeon spanning character levels 1-20, stay tuned!

And not the easiest half, either. Good luck

If Knight is a tank/defender (that's PHB2 knight we're talking about, right ?) with an AoO-focused build, some spiked chain abuse might be in order - and Stand Still is an evidence. But of course, it would be hard to get the proficiency without spending a feat on it, dipping into some obscure PrC, or getting it for free by DM fiat - by far my favorite solution when it comes to exotic weapons. There's also those two funny little feats, one that gives you an AoO against enemies you flank that attack someone else, and another one that lets you ignore your Combat Expertise penalty to attacks rolls for your AoOs, but I think both are Dragon Magazine material...

I don't really know the details of the World's Largest Dungeon, but it would be fair to ask your DM to modify remove any obstacle that's too much dependant of magic for its resolution, at least until you reach level 6 and become absolutely obsolete get your spellcasting cohorts.

Also, if it doesn't work with only a Rogue and a Knight, it might be interesting to try it again as a Gestalt game. There's some low-powered combinations that doesn't really modify the character concept (much less so than most PrCs) while adding quite a lot of much-needed capabilities. Rogue//Ranger (full BAB, archery feats, favored enemy, ranger spells) and Knight//Fighter (fortitude save, bonus feats) comes immediately to mind.

[Greenish]

If Knight is a tank/defender (that's PHB2 knight we're talking about, right ?) with an AoO-focused build, some spiked chain abuse might be in order - and Stand Still is an evidence. But of course, it would be hard to get the proficiency without spending a feat on it, dipping into some obscure PrC, or getting it for free by DM fiat - by far my favorite solution when it comes to exotic weapons.

Spiked Chain is sometimes worth the feat, but often you'll do as well with a guisarme and armour spikes.

[Tinydwarfman]

A two-man, low-op party trying to solo the WLD? Yeah, I'm not sure that's going to turn out so well. Pray your DM is the kind that bends the rules a bit. Or allows Gestalt.

[Machiavellian]

Stab the rogue. Thats all I need to say

[The Bellmaker]

Yeah, I'm definitely taking combat reflexes for my level three feat. Probably. Or I'll take Armour Mastery [Heavy], and finish that feat line. Hm.

Decisions, Decisions.

[Dishwatat]

Stab the rogue. Thats all I need to say

Great, thanks for contributing. Really helpful.

I know it will be hard, but I think that's part of the fun. We're gonna prove that you don't NEED magic in an extensive game.

[Optimystik]

Great, thanks for contributing. Really helpful.

It was, actually - chances are, the rogue will stab you!
Unless you are the rogue... in which case I'm watching you...