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    Default Ranger, Sword of Arcane Order, and Seeker of the Misty Isles <3.5>

    Hey y'all! My first build on this forum, and I have a question:

    My group in a FR campaign has a pretty balanced party, but needs a pseudohealer

    I'm a Tallfellow Halfling (which is treated as both an elf and as a halfling for PrCs, Spells, Domains, ect.) who is considering headed to Seeker of the Misty Isles.

    However, with the "goofy" prerequisites, Can a Ranger with Sword of the Arcane Order qualify for Seeker of the Misty Isles around 5th/6th level?

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    Be a Mystic Ranger. Seriously, be a Mystic Ranger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by true_shinken View Post
    Be a Mystic Ranger. Seriously, be a Mystic Ranger.
    but what about my companion or my Melee Proficiencies? I was gonna do TWF style

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machiavellian View Post
    but what about my companion or my Melee Proficiencies? I was gonna do TWF style
    Animal Companion, pretty much, sucks. TWF does also, unless with various damage bonuses, like sneak attack.
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    Animal Companion, pretty much, sucks. TWF does also, unless with various damage bonuses, like sneak attack.
    I was aimed to do both ends of the tracks, Focusing on TWF and taking the archery feats on the side to make me not a one-trick pony. If anything, I'll take the Obtain Animal Companion feat

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    Two weapon fighting is just fine, awesome in fact if you like quarterstaves and have a cleric friend with Brambles and/or a Spell Storing item.

    To hit the 2nd level spell requirement for Seeker, you'll need to be Ranger 8 or blow two Feats (one on Sanctum Spell, and one on a metamagic prerequisite). Personally I'd say wait until Ranger 8. Or if you don't mind the BAB hit, Ranger 6 and Ruathar 2. Ruathar (Races of the Wild) fits your theme and gives some decent bonuses including better vision, skill boosts, and extra will save (which you're otherwise not getting from anywhere).

    But I concur... skip Animal Companion and take the Distracting Attack feature instead. (PHB2)
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    To Qualify for Seeker ot Misty Isle
    Mystic Ranger 5, Druid 5, Cleric(Travel Domain) 5, Spirit Shamen 5 .. or Ranger 8
    There are multiclassing options which require 3 levels of the spell casting class and then 2 levels of Ranger. You cannot mix the two types of ranger.

    The Cleric is a poor options since SofMI 1 gives you Travel Domain

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    Best to go for two handed fighting, with reach if you prefer, and take the Ranger Archery style.

    TWF can work but THF is generally better.
    Archery feats are all poor value.

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    I say Mystic Ranger into Ruathar and then Seeker. That way you get proficiency with some martial weapons for TWF and some elf flavour.

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    You know... I had never heard of Mystic Ranger until this thread. HOW did I miss that one? Life just changed.
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    I can only take 1 PrC (hate the DM), so Ruithar is out. However, the Mystic Ranger is a cool. Distracting Shot seems underpowered. Besides, my plan is to utilize combat and low-level spellcasting, carrying a Bone Bow and a pair of Scimitars to fight through an Orc and Goblin horde to save a Dwarven City

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    whirling dervish could be fun for that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Escheton View Post
    whirling dervish could be fun for that
    But I want to use SotMI, because it matches the flavor. Granted, not optimal, but he's a Tallfellow Halfling who is a Noble in Elven Society

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machiavellian View Post
    a pair of Scimitars to fight through an Orc and Goblin horde to save a Dwarven City


    I agree with taking Mystic Ranger, you can take TWF feats on your normal feats, get archery feats for free (if a bit later) and can take Animal Cohort for your black panther.
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    I agree with taking Mystic Ranger, you can take TWF feats on your normal feats, get archery feats for free (if a bit later) and can take Animal Cohort for your black panther.
    okay! okay! I understand. and I was actually going with a dire boar for my companion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machiavellian View Post
    okay! okay! I understand. and I was actually going with a dire boar for my companion
    Then forget TWF and get a lance! DIRE BOAR CAVALRY, CHAAAAAARGE!
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    Then forget TWF and get a lance! DIRE BOAR CAVALRY, CHAAAAAARGE!
    Uh. No. Not proficient in Lance. Not burning a feat for that...

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    Uh. No. Not proficient in Lance. Not burning a feat for that...
    It's just -4.
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    It's just -4.
    Then I can't hit anything short of a wall. I'll stick with Scimmys (DM said Tallfellows get Elven Proficiencies)

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    Then I can't hit anything short of a wall. I'll stick with Scimmys (DM said Tallfellows get Elven Proficiencies)
    Charge is +2 to hit, so just -2 penalty. TWF is the same, and you don't do much damage on the rounds you have to move, unless you have pounce (which you should get).

    I don't know about FR, but default elves don't get Scimitar proficiency.
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    Charge is +2 to hit, so just -2 penalty. TWF is the same, and you don't do much damage on the rounds you have to move, unless you have pounce (which you should get).

    I don't know about FR, but default elves don't get Scimitar proficiency.
    DM ditched Rapier for Tallfellows for scimmys

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    DM ditched Rapier for Tallfellows for scimmys
    Scimitars are not light weapons, meaning they suck for TWF.

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    So you use a dagger in your off hand. No biggie.

    Or skip the whole thing and use a quarterstaff. Brambles or Spikes, your choice.
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    ...You're a ranger, aren't you? Lances are martial weapons. Rangers are proficient in Martial weapons. Where's nonproficiency coming from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Glyphstone View Post
    ...You're a ranger, aren't you? Lances are martial weapons. Rangers are proficient in Martial weapons. Where's nonproficiency coming from?
    Mystic Ranger? They lose all non-ranged martial weapons.
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    If one really wants to TWF with a Mystic Ranger... one could take EWP for the dragonsplit. 1d6, critical 19-20 or x4, your call and you can Power Attack with it.

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    I still say quarterstaff. No feat required, just add Brambles or Spikes. And if your party doesn't have a divine caster that wants to bother, maces work great and come in light varieties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by true_shinken View Post
    If one really wants to TWF with a Mystic Ranger... one could take EWP for the dragonsplit. 1d6, critical 19-20 or x4, your call and you can Power Attack with it.
    You can PA with all double weapons.
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    You can PA with all double weapons.
    Yeah, I never said you couldn't.
    Quarterstaves are easily sundered and deal low damage on criticals, though. I'd rather have a more resilient weapon.

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    Quarterstaves are easily sundered and deal low damage on criticals, though. I'd rather have a more resilient weapon.
    As a DM, I'm not prone to sundering the PC's magical equipment. If yours is, that's an even better reason to not spend a feat on a specific kind of weapon.

    Grab a weapon augment crystal of your choice, and throw a magic weapon or a spikes spell on whatever you have on you. sunder be darned.
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    Grab a weapon augment crystal of your choice
    Like a crystal of adamant weaponry.
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