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2010-05-24, 01:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Psicrystal Questions...
I am in a 3.5 campaign where I am currently a psion8/flayspawn6 (fun and more story-driven less about optimization). Since Psicrystals gain HD and therefore feats, do they also gain xp that I could use for lets say crafting items and/or constructs?
Also, I took leadership and will be grabbing levels of Thrallherd, does leadership on a psicrystal gain it regular followers/cohort or would they be construct followers/cohort?
Thanks for the help everyone. 2nd post/first thread, feel free to tell me how I did.Last edited by mjames; 2010-05-24 at 01:57 AM. Reason: I hate the screen on my palm pre. I missed a spelling error.
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2010-05-24, 02:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-24, 02:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Psicrystals don't gain experience, there HD are equal to there masters levels in psionic classes. As they do gain HD they can get feats, by RAW.
Thrallherd specificaly doesn't stack with Leadership, so that's a no go. I'd just take more levels of Slayer and Psion afterwards though, seeing as you can't get the twofold master anymore and the other abilities are underwhelming.
Not just psion, any manifesting class they have and any PRC's that add manifester levels stack as well.Last edited by Ferrin; 2010-05-24 at 02:11 AM.
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2010-05-24, 02:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Thanks. I'll drop the thrallherd idea. I'm still toying around with the characters progression on a level by level basis anyway. Letting story drive build in this case.
New Question formulated, but most likely poorly worded this late at night...
Since the crystal doesn't have xp to use on making items, will it use my xp or craft the items without the need of xp as an NPC. (Always wondered how the local smithy had enough xp to craft magical swords, but he's only a level 5 merchant? :-/ )Last edited by mjames; 2010-05-24 at 03:43 AM. Reason: Late night grammar issues.
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2010-05-24, 02:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think there are any rules for a psicrystal crafting things. But you need a manifester level to take crafting feats anyway, which a Psicrystal doesn't have.
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2010-05-24, 03:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-24, 03:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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No, it still doesn't grant a manifester level.
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2010-05-24, 03:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Is that stated somewhere? The SRD just says:
A psicrystal’s characteristics depend on its master. Its Hit Dice are equal to its master’s Hit Dice (counting only levels in psion or wilder), its hit points are equal to half its master’s, and its saving throw bonuses are the same as its master’s.Last edited by Greenish; 2010-05-24 at 03:58 AM.
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2010-05-24, 04:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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That's the SRD, the XPH states it in a different way. I forgot if I'm allowed to quote it or not.
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2010-05-24, 04:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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The OGL material from WotC page has the exactly same phrasing.
But I'll take your word for it.Last edited by Greenish; 2010-05-24 at 04:18 AM.
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2010-05-24, 04:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Not trying to be contrary (just trying to be confused it seems), but the Wild Talent feat in EPH specifically states that the Benefit is being considered a psionic character. Including the ability to take psion feats, metapsionic feats, and item creation feats.
Why would they mention the item creation feats if they were still impossible?
Side-note: Going along with the not directly quoting thing. I'm staring at the expanded right now, and the SRD version is word for word (parentheticals and all) the same as page 207 in the expanded. Not quite sure what you were thinking about quoting Ferrin.
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2010-05-24, 04:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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"Psicrystal abilities are based on the owner’s levels in psionic
classes. Levels from other classes do not count toward the
owner’s level for purposes of psicrystal abilities." ~Expanded Psionics Handbook, Page 22
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2010-05-24, 04:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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On that note, I am going to go back to my slumber. But one more bright idea to complicate things more. There is a feat from original psionhb that gives you +4 to your manifester level... Need to look at those prereqs first however, but frankly too many books in the bed makes it alot less comfy.
Good night all.
P.S. If things keep on at this rate, I expect to wake to two or three more arguments and a hearty mix of rule-bending on top of the already plausible idea to have my psycrystal take assume super-natural ability feat of a greater doppleganger or devourer of some sort who then eats a psion therefore qualifying it in the class it needs....
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2010-05-24, 04:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Even if Wild Talent gave you a manifester level (which it doesn't), you couldn't qualify for the item creation feats, since they require several (upwards from 3) manifester levels. Why the feat bothers to mention them is anyone's guess.
RAW is full of contradictions. They may say one thing in one place and another somewhere else.
[Edit]:Practiced Manifester from Complete Psionic specifically advances manifester level of the selected class.Last edited by Greenish; 2010-05-24 at 04:44 AM.
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2010-05-24, 04:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Keyword Abilities. As far as it's hd and subsequent feats, they are under the actual stats of a psycrystal. Read the first paragraph of Psicrystal on page 21. This is establish
ed (and boy do I hate to use this term) RAW. Literally.
Now with that arguments metaphysical horse very dead, can we please stop beating it?
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2010-05-24, 04:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Practiced Manifester is the feat you're looking for, I think. It's reprinted in Complete Psionic.
Yeah, please don't break the game.
Please tell me which book you're using. Because I don't think it's the EXPANDED Psionics Handbook, which is the 3.5 update.Last edited by Ferrin; 2010-05-24 at 04:53 AM.
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2010-05-24, 05:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Now, if you're a Thrallherd, and your Psicrystal has the leadership feat, it works.
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It's expanded psionics handbook,Ferrin. If you have it there in nearby, page 21 is the start of the Psicrystal info. Page 22 gives the saving throws and special abilities that are dependent on your total psionic classes. For the full stats of a psicrystal, page 21 tells you to reference page 207. Then we flip to 207, where it outlines the physical stats of the creature.
*pulls out sledge-hammer to continue beating that poor, dead horse*
So best advice for psicrystal in general in this type of campaign is take leadership to nearly double my followers, and use some polymorph beatstick trick feats?
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2010-05-24, 05:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Want brokenness?
Your psicrystal's cohort? They take leadership too. Same with your thralls.
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2010-05-24, 05:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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No, actually this build,seeing as it's a solo campaign with my rule-abiding significant other as dm, is what I would considered loaded with too much flavor and not enough power.
I took leadership for cohort to help with soloing... Also,from a role-playing side my character's backstory involved politics, so he is actually at the moment trying to take over Shadowdale, then once he's fairly epic, he'll attempt to unite the dales. Psycrystal tricks are just icing on the awesome-cake.
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2010-05-24, 05:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Allright, so for all purposes except hit dice it uses your levels in manifesting classes. Which is obviously an oversight. Makes me hate wotc's sloppy editing.
Allright, it's a solo campaign. That makes me feel less bad about you wanting to use a broken feat. You could take the Mind Seed power to make everyone copies of you, with more thrallherds, psicrystals with leadership etc. etc.Last edited by Ferrin; 2010-05-24 at 05:22 AM.
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2010-05-24, 05:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Lol! I enjoy that tactic, but if I overly abuse a trick, she'll either take it away or kill the charcter with it. But i'm pretty sure I can swing double leadership. She'd probably allow me to take thrallherd, let my crystal have leadership and I could psychic chirurgrey myself to drop leadership :-)
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2010-05-24, 05:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Thought about mind seed, but this is a chaotic evil character who is trying to unite the dales under an iron fist of tyranny. If I even mind seed one person, my dm will send them back at me later in the compaign as my character with no fluff all business. I'd be sewing the mindseeds of my own undoing. *yay wordplay*
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2010-05-24, 05:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Except that, you know, it depends on what your character would do. If he knows what happens, the Mind Seeds do as well. Why then would he undo everything he planned? In fact, I think he'd be more inclined to expand his domain to more then just the Dale.
Assuming ofcourse that your character is Inteligent, but he's a Psion, so he'd better be.
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2010-05-24, 05:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Host Feats.
They are in CPsi and give real Manifester Levels equal to half HD. This allows a Psicrystal to learn Item Creation feats perfectly legally. I've been using it for about two years in my Erudite character. We don't get any downtime so all our crafting is done at night by the Psicrystals. I still need to supply the pre-requisite powers and xp, or I have my thrall do it for me....Trust The Computer, The Computer is your friend.
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2010-05-24, 05:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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They don't qualify for taking Host feats, I quote; "Host feats can only be taken by a character who is acting as a physical host to another psionic entity.-snip-" ~Complete Psionic, page 60
It's not RAW, but if your DM allows it then sure.
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2010-05-24, 06:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hidden Talent (XPH only, not SRD) grants a single 1st-level power at ML1. With Practiced Manifester you can make this ML5.