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    Default Cantrip that deals fire damage?

    Ray of Frost, Acid Splash, Electric Jolt, Sonic Snap... where's my 1d3 fire damage cantrip? Shooting a small ray of flame seems like something anyone with any magical ability should be able to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWonton View Post
    Ray of Frost, Acid Splash, Electric Jolt, Sonic Snap... where's my 1d3 fire damage cantrip? Shooting a small ray of flame seems like something anyone with any magical ability should be able to do.
    Here's some OGL energy cantrips from Sean Reynold's site.

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    Default Re: Cantrip that deals fire damage?

    I remember an online Wizards article that detailed new uses for Prestidigitation, a jet of fire that dealt either 1d2 or 1d3 Fire damage was one of them.

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    Default Re: Cantrip that deals fire damage?

    Tome of Blood: Prestidigitation can shoot a small wave of fire, but its lit a torch as a standard action rather then a full round.


    That being said, like all spells that are elemental in nature, I tend to give an equal one. It may be rarer to find, but it works. A fire version of a zero level spell does exist in my world, and it deals 1d3 points of damage.
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    Default Re: Cantrip that deals fire damage?

    Back in the 1E days, there was a cantrip called Firefinger.

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    Default Re: Cantrip that deals fire damage?

    But... But...

    It cannot deal damage or affect the concentration of spellcasters.
    Prestidigitation can't deal damage!

    Besides, it lets you have random effects for a hour. Does that use lets you have an at will fire cantrip for a hour? That's a much stronger use compared to the rest, unless it's a discharge kind of thing. If that's it, then the first point applies.
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    Default Re: Cantrip that deals fire damage?

    I smell research project! Zero level spell. How much time and/or gold would that cost?

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    Default Re: Cantrip that deals fire damage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sliver View Post
    But... But...



    Prestidigitation can't deal damage!
    Apparantly, I was thinking of this excerpt from Tome and Blood and just imagined that whole "dealing damage thing." Sorry about that.

    At any rate, Wizards can research new spells, can't they? Make a spellcraft check, run it by your DM, and ask them to allow it. It's not like 1d3 Fire damage will break the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davester View Post
    I smell research project! Zero level spell. How much time and/or gold would that cost?
    According to the rules outlined in the DMG, it would cost 0 gp, take 0 weeks, and require a DC 10 Spellcraft check to research it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by senrath View Post
    According to the rules outlined in the DMG, it would cost 0 gp, take 0 weeks, and require a DC 10 Spellcraft check to research it.
    Except that cantrips are generally considered to have a spell level of 0.5 whenever they're used in a formula (like item creation costs). Don't know if that specifically applies to researching new spells too, but it probably should.

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    Default Re: Cantrip that deals fire damage?

    Maybe they left it out because all it takes is one small spark to ignite an inferno?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurus View Post
    Except that cantrips are generally considered to have a spell level of 0.5 whenever they're used in a formula (like item creation costs). Don't know if that specifically applies to researching new spells too, but it probably should.
    This is one as a DM I would rule they are free. Its a cantrip, and fluff wise is suppose to be fairly free to anyone with any magic talent. The crunch supports this surprisingly well that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firkraag View Post
    Maybe they left it out because all it takes is one small spark to ignite an inferno?
    You can already light a campfire with prestidigitation.

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    'As part of your arduous path from apprentice to journeyman to true arcane practitioner, you will design a cantrip level magic of your very own! Bonus points to the student with the most creative idea!'

    Allow each wizard to start with a custom cantrip. Yours is 'firefinger,' which is basically 'Ray of Frost, but does Fire damage instead.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moglorosh View Post
    You can already light a campfire with prestidigitation.
    ...Touché!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firkraag View Post
    Maybe they left it out because all it takes is one small spark to ignite an inferno?
    There is an electrical cantrip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moglorosh View Post
    You can already light a campfire with prestidigitation.
    Reminds me of the story of the one who's character got killed by a Light spell because he was soaked in oil and so the heatless light cantrip ignited the place and... Wait...
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    Didn't Vaarsuvius research something along this line for the Iron Mage competition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    Back in the 1E days, there was a cantrip called Firefinger.
    Quote Originally Posted by Prodan View Post
    Didn't Vaarsuvius research something along this line for the Iron Mage competition?
    Actually, his opponent did the "Flamefinger." Vaarsuvius' second entry was called "Distant Inferno," which I can only presume was his attempt at consolidating the Locate City Bomb into one spell.

    EDIT: Scratch that, V was the one that did Flamefinger - I forgot that he scribed two scrolls, not one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimystik View Post
    Actually, his opponent did the "Flamefinger." Vaarsuvius' entry was called "Distant Inferno," which I can only presume was his attempt at consolidating the Locate City Bomb into one spell.
    LCB spell!

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    Default Re: Cantrip that deals fire damage?

    There's Launch Bolt. Fit an alchemist's fire onto an arrow and le voila.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2xMachina View Post
    LCB spell!
    He was attempting to make a long-range concussive fireball with a short radius. Instead, he made a short-range concussive fireball with long radius, which ended up setting Belkar free from jail.

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    Fire-Substituted acid splash?
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    Does it have to be a cantrip? Kauper's Quickblast can do 5 fire damage as a free/swift action, and is only 1st level spell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki_Akuma View Post
    There is an electrical cantrip.
    How shocking.
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