How does one make the fastest character...ever!(3.5)

[Protecar]

That is the question. Minimal cheese please--ideally the speed would always be in effect, bonus points for alternate forms of movement(flight, burrow, etc.). Preferably not a spellcaster primarily(obviously they can do anything).

It seems rather interesting for a potential hit-and-run-very-far-very-fast melee character, which is kind of what I'm looking for.

So...any ideas?

(I know, blame the optimizing speed thread for this )

Edit: all of 3.5 is open to you. If there's any helpful(and well-thought) homebrewed/third party, feel free to mention it.

[Asheram]

That is the question. Minimal cheese please--ideally the speed would always be in effect, bonus points for alternate forms of movement(flight, burrow, etc.). Preferably not a spellcaster primarily(obviously they can do anything).

It seems rather interesting for a potential hit-and-run-very-far-very-fast melee character, which is kind of what I'm looking for.

So...any ideas?

(I know, blame the optimizing speed thread for this )

Edit: all of 3.5 is open to you. If there's any helpful(and well-thought) homebrewed/third party, feel free to mention it.

Well, there's always Chuck E. Cheese but it's all in the name, I'm afraid.

[Protecar]

*looks over build* Wow....that's....ridiculous. lol. It'd be awesome to play...but wow!

[The Glyphstone]

Slightly less ridiculous. Chuck can't actually break the speed of light anymore, since Footsteps of the Divine got Errated to be (D). He's just absurdly fast now instead of lucicrously fast.

[arguskos]

I like a Centaur Barbarian/Scout/Horizon Walker. Why? Centaurs are quick, Barb/Scout gives movement benefits, and Horizon Walker gives you Dim Door once every 1d4 rounds, which can cover immense distances in a leap. It lets you break up your running with large jumps. It's not the best (not Chuck after all), but it is quick.

[Protecar]

Still, I'm looking for something I could actually play without my DM hitting me with 3d10 books. Something mundane:

like in the other thread, I think it was mentioned monk 3/scout 3/barabarian 1 all give speed boosts. Assuming they stack, I guess that would be a (rather mediocre) start to a build. Maybe take the run feat? I think someone once mentioned being able to break up your movement score using a feat or something(i.e. move in, attack, move out in a round). Anybody know where I could find that?

Edit: @arguskos Hmmmm...not a bad idea. Centaurs are a...LA +1? or +2?

[Curmudgeon]

I think it was mentioned monk 3/scout 3/barabarian 1 all give speed boosts. Assuming they stack

They don't stack, because both Monk and Scout fast movement are enhancement bonuses.

[Protecar]

They don't stack, because both Monk and Scout fast movement are enhancement bonuses.

You're killin' me smalls.

[hafgan]

Human Cleric 1/Barbarian 1 with the Quick Trait and Celerity domain can have 60ft base speed at lvl 2

[Curmudgeon]

You can boost your base speed quite a bit with Alter Self. The Varag (Monster Manual IV, pages 168-171) is only 3 HD but has a base speed of 60'. Then you add Quick, the Celerity domain, and whatnot.

[Protecar]

Human Cleric 1/Barbarian 1 with the Quick Trait and Celerity domain can have 60ft base speed at lvl 2

hmmm...that's a nice start. I suppose some clerical persisting wouldn't be too bad if it helped. Bleh. I'd rather avoid going down that route. If I ever tried a character like this, I think a cleric would be in the group already.

So...cleric 1/Barb 1.....Scout 3? Maybe as a Centaur? What does that add up to?

Edit: Already tried the later self route for changing into things--DM is kinda tight-fisted with using that power so that's out. Maybe I could take a LA creature/template for extra speed though(ie centaur)

[Starscream]

The Shadow Template increases your speed by 50%, rather than a specific amount. This doesn't include speed boosts from classes, but simply add it to the fastest race you know and Bam!

Seems to apply to all movement modes, as well. An Air Elemental with the template would be able to fly at 150 feet, for example.

[RandomNPC]

Still, I'm looking for something I could actually play without my DM hitting me with 3d10 books. Something mundane:

like in the other thread, I think it was mentioned monk 3/scout 3/barabarian 1 all give speed boosts. Assuming they stack, I guess that would be a (rather mediocre) start to a build. Maybe take the run feat? I think someone once mentioned being able to break up your movement score using a feat or something(i.e. move in, attack, move out in a round). Anybody know where I could find that?

Edit: @arguskos Hmmmm...not a bad idea. Centaurs are a...LA +1? or +2?

spring attack, but remember one attack, not full. This is phb fyi (yeay abreviations!)

[Protecar]

@ Starscream What's the LA on a shadow template? That sounds nice, but I'll have to find the lowest LA with fastest base speed creature I can(looked up centaur and +2 for 50 base seems weak[not to mention no alternate movement forms])

Spring Attack! Cool, thanks. What book is that?

[Starscream]

@ Starscream What's the LA on a shadow template? That sounds nice, but I'll have to find the lowest LA with fastest base speed creature I can(looked up centaur and +2 for 50 base seems weak[not to mention no alternate movement forms])

Spring Attack! Cool, thanks. What book is that?

It's a +2 template. I'm playing a rogue with it right now. Fun template.

[Protecar]

Hmmm....a +2 hurts. I may have to try for a +0 race then so I'm not totally a pile of suck if this was to work.

[The Glyphstone]

Centaur would cost you 4 racial HD and +2 LA, a total of 6 class levels, for +20ft. base speed. Not a good tradeoff.

I'd go Shadow Human Cloistered Cleric 1/Scout 3/Ranger 14, with the Quick trait and focus on archery. You'll have a base speed of (30+10+10)x1.5+10=85ft./round, at level 5. Take pure Ranger after that and get the Swift Hunter feat at level 6, for delicious Manyshot Skirmish shenanigans.

Expeditious Retreat will be your Domain spell from the Celerity domain, overlapping with Scout for a movement speed of 105ft.

[balistafreak]

I believe the Freedom Mantle for Ardents also gives an untyped +10 ft. bonus to base land speed.

[Protecar]

Where's this Shadow thing from? I looked it up online and it said it was an LA+3, not two. Different shadows maybe? I like the idea of pushing for Ranger, and I could probably take the quickness trait for another +10...

[Curmudgeon]

Centaur would cost you 4 racial HD and +2 LA, a total of 6 class levels, for +20ft. base speed. Not a good tradeoff.

Varag is slightly better: 3 racial HD and +2 LA, for +30' base speed. Also Run as a racial bonus feat.

[nedz]

Does having a mount count ?

Wildshaping Ranger ?

Lycanthropy ?

How about a Marshal cohort - Grant Move Action 1/day/4 levels ?
Oh and Major Aura-Motivate Urgancy

Fiend of Possession
Become Ethereal at will.
Possess an arrow, get someone to fire you.

Favoured Soul (or several other classes/PrCs)
Wings

Warlock - Fell Flight

Templates - I guess you could stack several of these
Half Fiend, Lemorian - Fly at Base Move
Half Dragon(if Large), Half Fey - fly at twice Base Move
Half Janni - Planer Jaunt
Half Raksghasa, Half Minotaur, Half Ogre +10 move
Air Elemental Creature - Fly 100
Wendigo - Fly 120
Shadow Creature - +50% Movement
Arachnoid - Climb at half base

[Protecar]

Blah. Races don't seem to show much love for a better base speed.

Edit: Oh wow. That's quite a list.

I like shadow, but if it's +3 I don't think I'd bother. If warlock could be blended in for flying that would be interesting. I would still like to be able to zip in and out of combat, but I like Warlocks so I could settle. I think those other templates would really hurt in terms of LA/HDs though.

[The Glyphstone]

Where's this Shadow thing from? I looked it up online and it said it was an LA+3, not two. Different shadows maybe? I like the idea of pushing for Ranger, and I could probably take the quickness trait for another +10...

It's printed in Lords of Madness, a LA+2 template. You get some other nice HD-dependent goodies as you level up (Cold Resistant, Fast Healing, DR/Magic), but the real kicker is Supernatural Hide in Plain Sight whenever you're not exposed to natural daylight.

Quick is already included in the 85ft. calculations.

Varag is slightly better: 3 racial HD and +2 LA, for +30' base speed.

True, but we're sacrificing a lot of class levels at that point. The Shadow Human with Quick and Celerity domain has a unmodified speed of 75ft by sacrificing 2 class levels. A Shadow Varag with Quick and Celerity domain would have a unmodified speed of 120ft, but at the cost of 7 class levels. I'd rather keep the Ranger levels to ensure getting over +16 BAB.

[Protecar]

Hmmm...would a dip of Barbarian 1 work for another +10 that way? Plus rage is nice. :D

[The Glyphstone]

Nope, it won't stack with the Scout movement boost. Since you'll be Archery-focused, you won't need the Pounce ACF, and Rage only helps if you take Whirling Frenzy, which isn't really necessary, and counterproductive to movement. Better to stick with Ranger levels, since 17 combined levels of Scout and Ranger will get you 4 Favored enemies and +5d6/+4 AC Skirmish.

[Protecar]

These non-stackable land speed things are quite the nuisance. What about the ratite race? http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Beastfo...283.5e_Race%29 It has a base land speed of 40--giving an effective +15 base land speed(thanks to shadow). It'd be another +1 LA though.

[The Glyphstone]

That's homebrew. Homebrew is icky. It'd also cost you that precious +1d6 skirmish damage from having 17 Ranger/Scout levels, which is probably worth more than another 15ft. of speed.

[Protecar]

Oh. Whoops. Well....dang :/

[The Glyphstone]

Honestly, over 100ft. of movement/round with only Expeditious Retreat should be all you need for actual combat. Much more and it's just a thought exercise, where Chuck E. Cheese has you beat already.

[Protecar]

Hmmm...I suppose you're right. That doesn't seem too bad either. I know rangers aren't great, but I'd like an archer--and an archer that's fast would be pretty cool. Any ranger prestige classes worth branching into?