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2010-06-15, 09:28 PM (ISO 8601)Titan in the Playground
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[3.5]Another Turning/Rebuking thread
OK, quick question...how many turns or rebuke of undead/day can a single classed* Cleric get by ECL 12, excluding use of items or other magic.
Feats, PrCs*, races etc. are all fair game. All WotC 3.0 & 3.5 books are open. No Dragon mag, no web enahncements or online, no homebrew, no 3rd party.
The boring version is Human Cleric 12, 20 CHA (18+2/levels), Extra Turning feat x6 = 32.
**single classed = no other base classes, but PrCs are golden.Last edited by Thurbane; 2010-06-15 at 09:29 PM.
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2010-06-15, 09:44 PM (ISO 8601)Bugbear in the Playground
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Re: [3.5]Another Turning/Rebuking thread
Well the Undeath domain grants Extra Turning as a bonus feat, iirc, so there's another +4 attempts.
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2010-06-15, 09:47 PM (ISO 8601)Ogre in the Playground
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Re: [3.5]Another Turning/Rebuking thread
Undeath Domain +4
Extra Turning x 6 (assuming human and no flaws) +24
20 charisma +5
Base of 3
36.
Now, if you only want these for activating feats or the like...
Swap Turn Undead for Destroy Undead, which is functionally identical for almost anything.
Take levels of sacred exorcist, getting Turn Undead back for double.
72.
Edit: Fixed math.Last edited by Jarian; 2010-06-15 at 09:49 PM.
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2010-06-15, 10:38 PM (ISO 8601)Dwarf in the Playground
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Re: [3.5]Another Turning/Rebuking thread
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2010-06-15, 10:40 PM (ISO 8601)Bugbear in the Playground
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Re: [3.5]Another Turning/Rebuking thread
Some part of me wants to say Ravenloft Campaign Setting, but I could be wrong.
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2010-06-15, 11:23 PM (ISO 8601)Firbolg in the Playground
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Re: [3.5]Another Turning/Rebuking thread
Well done. Originally Posted by Jarian
Perhaps 2 levels in Chameleon, and throw the bonus feat into Extra Turning for an additional 8.
Edit:Nevermind, I forgot about the feat prereq for Chameleon.Last edited by dextercorvia; 2010-06-15 at 11:33 PM.
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2010-06-15, 11:33 PM (ISO 8601)Titan in the Playground
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Re: [3.5]Another Turning/Rebuking thread
Work a level of Ex-Master of Shrouds in Jarian's build there for another source, bringing the total up to 108. You can get it by the time you qualify for SacEx, and easily before ECL12.
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2010-06-15, 11:37 PM (ISO 8601)Firbolg in the Playground
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Re: [3.5]Another Turning/Rebuking thread
You lose 24 of those for the two feat prereqs on MoS. And, you have to find a way to rebuke undead (difficult for someone going into Sacred Exorcist). Originally Posted by Keld Denar
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2010-06-16, 05:44 AM (ISO 8601)Pixie in the Playground
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Re: [3.5]Another Turning/Rebuking thread
Swap Turn Undead for Destroy Undead, which is functionally identical for almost anything.
Take levels of sacred exorcist, getting Turn Undead back for double.
what i dont get that explain with more detail
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2010-06-16, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)Ogre in the Playground
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Re: [3.5]Another Turning/Rebuking thread
Expedition to Castle Ravenloft has a Cleric Alternate Class Feature "Destroy Undead" that replaces a Cleric's normal ability to turn undead. Destroy Undead does Cleric level/d6 of damage to undead in the area. Originally Posted by eldon18
It has text that specifically allows it to function as Turn Undead for the purpose of qualifying for - and activating - Divine feats, among other things.
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2010-06-16, 11:46 AM (ISO 8601)Ogre in the Playground
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Re: [3.5]Another Turning/Rebuking thread
Dread Necro for Rebuke on top of turn?
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2010-06-16, 12:11 PM (ISO 8601)Ogre in the Playground
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Re: [3.5]Another Turning/Rebuking thread
Dread Necro is a base class, specifically disallowed by the OP. Would have been the obvious choice otherwise. Originally Posted by 2xMachina
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2010-06-16, 12:59 PM (ISO 8601)Ogre in the Playground
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Re: [3.5]Another Turning/Rebuking thread
Ah, damn, missed that.
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2010-06-16, 03:18 PM (ISO 8601)Banned
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Re: [3.5]Another Turning/Rebuking thread
Further optimizing would be charisma boosting via race and templates with LA buyback. Then feat optimization for DCFC for Extra Turning. Jarian did well, though I hope the OP doesn't want the turns for DMM...
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2010-06-16, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)Titan in the Playground
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Re: [3.5]Another Turning/Rebuking thread
Thanks for this, I've been looking for something like that for 3.5 Originally Posted by Jarian
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2010-06-16, 04:49 PM (ISO 8601)Firbolg in the Playground
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Re: [3.5]Another Turning/Rebuking thread
If you can find a template or stack of templates for +3 that grant +10 or better to charisma, it would improve this.
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2010-06-16, 06:05 PM (ISO 8601)Surgebinder in the Playground Moderator
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Re: [3.5]Another Turning/Rebuking thread
In addition to Destroy Undead and Sacred Exorcist, add a dip in Death Delver from Heroes of Horror for Rebuke Undead. Now pile on the Extra Turning.
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2010-06-16, 06:06 PM (ISO 8601)Ogre in the Playground
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Re: [3.5]Another Turning/Rebuking thread
OP says no use of magic or similar effects, so Dark Cheese Feat Shuffle is out. Originally Posted by PlzBreakMyCmpAn
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2010-06-16, 09:28 PM (ISO 8601)Titan in the Playground
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Re: [3.5]Another Turning/Rebuking thread
Indeed. Originally Posted by Jarian
OP says no use of magic or similar effects, so Dark Cheese Feat Shuffle is out.
...this would also include magic that boosts CHA.
A Human Cleric could take Human Paragon 3 (effectively a PrC) - get a bonus feat, and also a +2 boost to any ability (i.e. CHA).Last edited by Thurbane; 2010-06-16 at 09:30 PM.
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