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Best Simple Weapon (3.5)
what do people most prefer as a simple weapon? i feel like currently it is the longspear for its better damage, two handedness.
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Re: Best Simple Weapon (3.5)
If you manage to convince your DM that the greatclub should be a simple weapon (shouldn't be hard, it's a big club after all) you have a good non-reach Power Attacker.
Light Maces are EXCELLENT with Lightning Maces.
The Longspear is a great weapon, thanks to reach.
The Quarterstaff is the only double-weapon that's non Exotic, making it useful for TWF.
The Morningstar is good to beat certain DRs and as a target for Greater Mighty Whallop.
The Poison Ring (Dragon Compendium) is useful for deploying poisons (durrrr).
The Sling has some specific PrCs that can do fun stuff.
That's about all of the really useful simple weapons.
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Spiked Gauntlet/Armor to count as armed all the time, and attack adjacent enemies while wielding a reach weapon.
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Re: Best Simple Weapon (3.5)
Dagger.
You can pierce with it, stab with it, throw it, use it to cut stuff, cut yourself with it, sacrifice stuff with it, and hide it easily.
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Exactly. I mean, you can adapt basic hand-to-hand to use a spikey bit. Can't be THAT hard, and this is D&D, where Abstraction is King.
Also, anyone else think Simple Weapons got the shaft? I've been considering fiddling around with them some. Not sure what I'd change yet though.
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No, they really don't. No one uses them. Ever. Any class that has only simples just doesn't really USE weaponry for anything. The only class I can think of that ends up using them for anything is like the Cleric, and that's only if you're a battle cleric that doesn't take the War Domain or play an Elf or ANYTHING else. EDIT: I should be fair. Wizards without spells use Crossbows too. Forgot that.
For options to matter, they need to be usable sometimes. Currently, Simples have nothing to recommend themselves, and that needs to change I think. Not sure how to do that without obviating Martials, but then again, I also plan to shift around the weapon categories anyways.Last edited by arguskos; 2010-06-19 at 05:18 PM.
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Simple: Shortspear, Longspear, Quarterstaff, Spear
Martial Weapons: Trident, Glaive, Guisarm, Halberd, Lance, Ranseur.
Exotic Weapons: Urgosh
Nah, Martial Weapons get the shafts.
More realistically, I do think simple weapons should probable have some boost if you have martial weapon proficiency in all weapons, just so spears, staves, some maces, etc. aren't completely worthless for classes with martial weapon proficiency, but if you just have simple weapon proficiency they do their job well enough.I would really like to see a game made by Obryn, Kurald Galain, and Knaight from these forums.
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Ba-dum-tish! Shows me alright.
More realistically, I do think simple weapons should probable have some boost if you have martial weapon proficiency in all weapons, just so spears, staves, some maces, etc. aren't completely worthless for classes with martial weapon proficiency, but if you just have simple weapon proficiency they do their job well enough.
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Re: Best Simple Weapon (3.5)
I like the longspear if I'm shield free, or morning star if I'm using a shield.
And greatclub really should be a simple weapon. Fun Fact: a large morningstar (2d6 damage) is better for a medium simple weapon wielder than a greatclub (1d10 damage). You only take a -2 size penalty, instead of a -4 non proficiency penalty!My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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Re: Best Simple Weapon (3.5)
Heavy Sickle. For 1d8 damage in one hand that doesn't weigh 8lbs. Why would you need a Spear for two handing? Just put both hands on your Heavy Sickle/Morningstar. Now if you wanted it for x3 crit or throwing that would make sense. Longspear is also good with the reach.
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2010-06-20, 01:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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+1 to Clubs. Spend your entire starting wealth on clubs and crush every foe in the campaign world under the weight of infinite amounts of weight before even beginning play. Inform your GM that it is perfectly legal and RAW if he objects.
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2010-06-20, 01:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Alternately, have a weapon specific boost for each. Someone with a longspear should really be able to choke up on it for instance, taking a -2 penalty to attack foes in melee, with Short Haft only needed for heavier, less agile pole arms. A quarterstaff should get a die or two of damage when used two handed. Etc.
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Hey, that's a bit harsh. Nowhere does it say you have to be carrying all of your possessions. Otherwise buying a mount would serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever except to bury yourself in some 1000 pounds of horseflesh.
For that matter, nowhere does it say you have to be able to carry all of your possessions. Assuming you must be carrying all your possessions (ridiculous as pointed out above), you can start your career a hojillion clubs, you'll just be crushed (less than) a second later. Or perhaps not, if the clubs are elaborately stacked like Lincoln Logs in an endless cabin in all directions around you. (Okay, not really. )Intelligence is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put tomato in fruit salad. Charisma is convincing someone it's a good idea anyways.
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For another reach simple weapon, there is also the Fauchard, from one of the Dragons (331, IIRC) & it's a 1d8 reach slashing weapon with the same crit as a longspear (20/x3), 1 pound more in weight and 2 GP more in cost. Not very exciting but it's one of two sources of slashing simple weapons I can think of offhand.
Basically a slashing clone of the longspear without druids getting the proficiency or being able to do double damage as a readied action against a charge.
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Actually, it does.
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Wait a minute, this is too good not to point out.
So my Fighter owns, say, a ship. Not a rowboat, but a three-masted, square-sailed, needs-a-crew-of-at-least-twenty-to-operate, ship.
I'm doing my thing, adventuring a whole bunch. I pick up a treasure chest and decide to lug it out of the dungeon.
DM points out I'll need to compute my encumberance, so I do...
Originally Posted by SRDIntelligence is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put tomato in fruit salad. Charisma is convincing someone it's a good idea anyways.
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3.X does have it's share of ridiculousness, I am not denying that. Just don't use ones that don't exist.
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