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2010-06-21, 05:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Dark Chaos Shuffle & Dipping Shenanigans
So I was just looking up the Armor Proficiency feats on the SRD due to the whole thing about animal companions and how one gets them proficient in armor use, and I noticed this little tidbit and its equivalents for medium and heavy armor.
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All characters except wizards, sorcerers, and monks automatically have Armor Proficiency (light) as a bonus feat. They need not select it.
So... could one use the redundant bonus feats by shuffling them away prior to multi-classing and then getting the proficiencies back?
If so... that's... what... 3, 4, maybe 5 feats from dipping Fighter 1?
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2010-06-21, 05:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dark Chaos Shuffle & Dipping Shenanigans
Yeah, even more when you consider that the fighter has proficiency in all martial weapons.
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2010-06-21, 06:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-06-21, 06:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dark Chaos Shuffle & Dipping Shenanigans
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2010-06-21, 06:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-06-21, 06:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-06-21, 07:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dark Chaos Shuffle & Dipping Shenanigans
That's a yes for those that are explicitly expressed as bonus feats. You're trading away something that has real value but just doesn't happen to fit with your build, and with a real cost (4,900 gp per feat traded).
Edit: Do note that just because the rules allow it doesn't mean your DM will be happy. YMMV.Last edited by Curmudgeon; 2010-06-21 at 07:08 PM.
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2010-06-21, 08:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dark Chaos Shuffle & Dipping Shenanigans
I think
CloisteredCleric can give you four feats at first level, on top of proficiencies (of which he has four; all three armours and shield), giving you eight feats for one level dip.
Armour Proficiency (light)
Armour Proficiency (medium)
Armour Proficiency (heavy)
Shield Proficiency
Knowledge Devotion
Martial Weapon Proficiency (something)
Weapon Focus (something)
Another Domain-granted-power feat.Are there any other domains that grant two or more feats as granted powers?
EDIT: Yup, the Metal domain also grants you Proficiency and Focus with a weapon (hammer!), so, 8 feats for one level.Last edited by IdleMuse; 2010-06-21 at 08:52 PM.
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2010-06-21, 08:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dark Chaos Shuffle & Dipping Shenanigans
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2010-06-21, 08:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dark Chaos Shuffle & Dipping Shenanigans
Oh yeah, derp :P
Well, just do it with regular cleric then, for 8"Hex grids are the way forward! And slighty to the side..." - Studoku
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2010-06-21, 08:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dark Chaos Shuffle & Dipping Shenanigans
Also, you can't take Knowledge Devotion at level 1, as it has a 5 rank Knowledge skill prereq.
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2010-06-21, 09:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dark Chaos Shuffle & Dipping Shenanigans
Well, since this discussion is about taking dips for more feats to shuffle away, I doubt that matters; also, I believe the domain swap for devotion ignores prereqs.
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