Help! i nedd ideas for a villain.

[Pamela]

Hello everyone, I am new in the DM think but I just finish an adventure :D

but I'm having problems with ideas, the latest adventure the players defeted a Necromancer, later they discover that he was working for an evil overlord.

Since they alredy deal if a Magic user.

I want the overlord to be more melee, but can not imagine what class he'll be.

any ideas?

I want something like Shao Kahn from Mortal Kombat, but darker and more evil, not a pure Warrior like him...

[Doc Roc]

Human, Clay Half-Golem [MMII]
Taint is hilarious. Did I mention hilarious? Check it out, heroes of horror.
Adjudicate it from your own perspective, but I'm sure he gets these feats as-or-before he needs them from taint, leveling, and flaws.
Great Fortitude, Combat Casting, Divine Metamagic(Persist), Persist
Power attack, cleave, intimidating rage, destructive rage

5 Dread Necromancer
3 Ur Priest
7 Geomancer
1 Rage Mage
4 levels of frenzied Berserker

Even as a clay half-golem, he can actually still self-buff thanks to the fact that his magic\spell immunity only stops spells as per the golem of his type. In other words, personal range buffs don't have SR, and thus he can cast things like Divine Power on himself without issue. Despite his casty-flavor, his big thing is brutally beating on whatever walks too close.

Some key notes:
Villains need at least sixth level spells if the players are of that level or higher. Ideally, they should have command structures below them that are difficult to co-opt. This means access to spells that cover divination.

BBEGs are a bad plan:
Simply put, the D&D combat system does not lend itself well to fights against a single opponent. An explanation of why can be found in the third post, but be prepared for some gamist analysis.

[subject42]

Look in Tome of Magic, if you have access to it, and study the Binder.

While they're kind of magical, they make phenomenal melee characters.

[Pamela]

half-golem? WTF? never herad of this race before, ever, i dint know golens have the ability of have children O_o

Besides he is too magical

necromancer and geomancer ...

I think I forgot to mentions that the campaign is D & D

[Shademan]

nonono, a half golem is a humanoid that have golem parts forged unto him.
try a half golem (mm2) crusader (tome of battle)

edit: tho' some supplemental books DO give the stats for...erotic golems

[Pamela]

nonono, a half golem is a humanoid that have golem parts forged unto him.
try a half golem (mm2) crusader (tome of battle)

edit: tho' some supplemental books DO give the stats for...erotic golems

ahh makes sense now, but well is and odd consep, can we have a more normal race? and a more unic class.

and eww that was disgusting x_x, and even so erotic golem are esters sinse they are costructs and are made for Lust and not for reproduction, also they dont have genes... so stop have this ideas

[Shademan]

never! I'm a perv. thats how I roll!

hm, ok. have a gnome unarmed swordsage. nothing will make the party weep harder than having their buttocks handed to them by a 5 feet tall little bugger of pure whoopass. unarmed at that!

Or... Half-dragon rogue/barbarian. with some tiefling guards, offcourse

heck, ANYTHING from this thread: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...=74654&page=43

[Pamela]

never! I'm a perv. thats how I roll!

hm, ok. have a gnome unarmed swordsage. nothing will make the party weep harder than having their buttocks handed to them by a 5 feet tall little bugger of pure whoopass. unarmed at that!

Or... Half-dragon rogue/barbarian. with some tiefling guards, offcourse

-_- are make fun of me? a GNOME???

what part of the EVIL OVERLORD you dont get it?

Rogue and Barbarian? they are like oposite classes

and a Overlord nerver sneck atack :S

i quit is better i think by my self.....

[Shademan]

hm. true. gnomes arent exactly majestic.
and if it is a very LAWFUL overlord I can see that sneak attacks might be off-putting.
just roll with crusader. they are heavily armed and armourerd and hit hard (and harder as they take damage).
or go fighter/cleric/blackguard or somesuch.
still suggest half-dragon.

[Endarire]

Classes are groups of related skill sets. A class doesn't define who you are; instead, it tells you what you can do well.

[gallagher]

how about a Water Orc Half Minotaur swordsage? He will be a beast with all that extra strength, which will make the 3/4 BAB much easier to swallow. if you make it the unarmed swordsage variant, he will be a large creature punching things to death. have him use setting sun and shadowblade primarily, with a little desert wind or tiger claw mixed in for good results

[Doc Roc]

Half-golem is important because it offers a wide set of immunities. Namely, huge resistances to physical damage, and a near-complete invulnerability when it comes to incoming magic. For a serious BBEG, you're gonna need some way to mitigate these threats, and thus reduce the net debt when it comes to the action economy.

And yes, that's all from D&D. Is this 3.5 or 4.0?

[Pamela]

hm. true. gnomes arent exactly majestic.
and if it is a very LAWFUL overlord I can see that sneak attacks might be off-putting.
just roll with crusader. they are heavily armed and armourerd and hit hard (and harder as they take damage).
or go fighter/cleric/blackguard or somesuch.
still suggest half-dragon.

He is not LAWFUL he just dont use this tatics, he kick your ass in front of you because he is a Badass..

you know like Shao Kahn from Mortal Kombat
or the overlord from the Overlord game.

i wish we have Dark paladins... dark knigths or something like that...

[Shademan]

well we Do have the paladin of tyranny or the paladin of slaughter. but I forget what books they are from

[Pamela]

can i make a Half-golem monotaur? sword sage is little too magic is not?

tell me a Powerfull mellee Prestige class

[Doc Roc]

Swordsage is as magic as you want it to be. A crusader will work just fine, given what it sounds like your playgroup's optimization level is.

[The Glyphstone]

We've got Blackguards. Unearthed Arcana has the Paladins of Slaughter and Tyranny.

There's several good Paladin homebrews for variant alignment Paladins. I like the Faxadin myself.

Crusaders from ToB are sorta-paladinish without the code of conduct.

Half-Golem can be any creature with limbs, since the process of becoming a half-golem involves you chopping off your arm and grafting on a golem arm in its place.

[Pamela]

Swordsage is as magic as you want it to be. A crusader will work just fine, given what it sounds like your playgroup's optimization level is.

A crusader dont have to be good?

[Doc Roc]

A crusader dont have to be good?

Nope! They can be any non-neutral alignment at all. That was a major element in their design, and one of the reasons why they're so well loved. They Just Work.

[The Glyphstone]

Crusaders can't be Neutral. Anything else goes.

Opinions vary on if this means anything except True Neutral, or only extremes (LE, CE, CG, LG).

EDIT: You sneak-edited, you ninja.

[Pamela]

Nice so thats it a crusader perfect, just one more question, wich book he is?

Complete Adventure or compete divine?

[The Glyphstone]

neither. Crusaders are in Tome of Battle: The Book of Nine Swords (AKA The Book of Melee Not Sucking).

[Pamela]

Thank you so much :D

[gallagher]

A crusader dont have to be good?

not at all! actually, a devoted spirit focused Half-golem Half-minotaur water orc would be quite devastating. thicket of blades with a spike chain or something would be rather cruel, as you cant five foot step within 20 feet of him, and he will have like +16 strength (+4 from water orc, +4 from Half-Minotaur, +8 from Large Size)

[Corporate M]

half-golem? WTF? never herad of this race before, ever, i dint know golens have the ability of have children O_o

I think it was intended to mean more like a cyborg. (Think Darth Vader or General Grevious) But the fluff of golems having children would be hillarious. Or perhaps they need to mature as in My Life As a Teenage Robot.

Also, you're the DM, couldn't you just homebrew what you want your big bad to look like? I mean sourcebooks help, but the great thing about D&D is push comes to shove, you can make it up as you go along.

[Shademan]

and they are also as magical as you want. really, it's how you describe their abilities.
If a crusader uses "Mountain hammer strike" you can say it like:
"The overlord takes a low, powerfull stance and with a mighty and horrifying warcy he brings his large barbed sword into a wide, powerful arc, shattering any defense in its way"
to
"The overlord's eyes spew red smoke as he gathers the unholy energies of the undermountains to his fell weapon. he swings his blade wich frothes with molten rock, which your armour can do little to stop"
or whatever

[The Glyphstone]

odd example, because Mountain Hammer is actually non-magical by default. It's only the Desert Wind and Shadow Hand maneuvers that are Supernatural attacks.

[Shademan]

screw the rules, I have money


I dont even remember what mountain hammer does. I just remember using it last time I played :/

[Doc Roc]

screw the rules, I have money


I dont even remember what mountain hammer does. I just remember using it last time I played :/

I doubt you could afford my rates. :)
And I AM the law.

[Shademan]

well I never said it was MUCH money...