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    Default Poison creation rules

    I was building a new character and encountered a roadblock. I need some detailed poison creation rules for star wars d20. Since the saves and poisons work the same way as DnD, I should be able to pull from pretty much anything that has detailed rules.

    Has anyone written some sensible poison rules, or shall I write some up myself?
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    Default Re: Poison creation rules

    Well the poison rules that exist are quite simple they follow the normally crafting rules with a few exceptions.
    Unless there is a good hefty list of poisons in that d20 game your probably SOL unless someone coughs up a custom poison system.

    First you don't convert the cost of the poison into silver pieces. Progress is in gold per week instead of silver. Which essentially means its ten times faster.

    Second the raw materials cost 3/4 the cost of the market price. This represents the blackmarket deals necessary to buy the poison. If the raw material is readily available. Say your making wyvern poison and you happen to have a dead wyvern the cost is only 1/6.

    Now an example, using the crafting rules
    Wyvern Poison costs 3,000gp market price.
    It has a craft DC of 25.
    You roll your craft skill check the result is 30
    Your check[if successful] x the craft DC equals the progress that week in gp.
    In this case 750gp.
    Making the same check everyweek you'd have your poison in about 4 weeks.

    The raw material cost is based on the above.

    I am however not familiar with starwards d20. [d6 starwars forever!]. So I am unsure how much the D&D rules will actually help.
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    Default Re: Poison creation rules

    Not quite what I was wanting. I'm after custom poison rules.

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    Default Re: Poison creation rules

    Do you mean creating completely new made up poisons from scratch? there's no such rules in the game, not in D&D anyway. Just rules for crafting already existing poisons.

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    Default Re: Poison creation rules

    Yes, I'm wanting rules for custom poisons, preferably without having to buy another book. If no good rules exist, I will fix that problem. And it's looking like they don't.

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    Default Re: Poison creation rules

    It may or may not help, but:
    Check my extended signature. Look at the entire thread from my link for the Snake-blade PrC, and also I have a thread with some weird poisons I made up, basically on the spur of the moment, in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drogorn View Post
    I was building a new character and encountered a roadblock. I need some detailed poison creation rules for star wars d20. Since the saves and poisons work the same way as DnD, I should be able to pull from pretty much anything that has detailed rules.

    Has anyone written some sensible poison rules, or shall I write some up myself?
    Write your own rules. The D&D poisons are massively overpriced for their effects.

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    Default Re: Poison creation rules

    The larger thread I mentioned included some ways of fixing that...
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    Question Re: Poison creation rules

    I'm very interested in the Customization of Poisons to create home-made versions from scratch.

    I think you can break down what the poison does into a few parts with the Base # being the starting point for the Crafting DC
    Damage: State, Physical, or Ability
    State is the sleep, paralyze effects; base 10
    Physical is the HP damage; base 12
    Ability is the drain to abilities; base 14

    Damage Die would start at 1D4
    2D4 would add +1 to the Crafting DC
    1D6 would add +2 to the Crafting DC

    The Base # might equal the DC Save # with some more options
    Adding +1 to the DC Save would increase the Crafting DC by +2
    Adding a Secondary Save Check would cost +3 to the Crafting DC

    So..I haven't tested this yet, but I imagine if I put this formula and compared it to an already made Poison it might equal out?

    Any suggestions?

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    Question Re: Poison creation rules

    Found a method for Crafting Your Own Poisons here

    It seems almost as if it's only taking a premade Poison and adding to it?

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    Default Re: Poison creation rules

    There are no rule for creating brand new poisons, simple crafting existing ones.

    Trying to come up with a set of rules for creating new poisons and pricing guidelines is ridiculus they won't work right.

    Just pick an effect, pick a delivery method and pick a save DC. Then compare it to existing poisons and set a price you and the DM think is fair along with a craft DC.
    Last edited by Lord Vukodlak; 2011-05-15 at 10:59 AM.

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    Default Re: Poison creation rules

    Quote Originally Posted by McQ View Post
    Damage Die would start at 1D4
    2D4 would add +1 to the Crafting DC
    1D6 would add +2 to the Crafting DC
    These are backwards, since 2d4 is better than 1d6 in every way.
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    If you want to stay in touch, reach out to me on twitter (same username).

    The best answer is always to ask your DM.
    Unless you're the DM, in which case you should talk to your players.

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    Default Re: Poison creation rules

    Since this has been necrotized and THEN two other people posted on this, I might as well provide a LINK to a spell that keeps poison relevant at higher levels. Probably not as critical in Star Wars (very rare resurrection, if any, dunno about Light-Side powers that cure poison) but maybe it could still be turned into a Dark-Side power.
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    Default Re: Poison creation rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Vukodlak View Post
    Trying to come up with a set of rules for creating new poisons and pricing guidelines is ridiculus they won't work right.
    I think you're right here, Lord Vukodlak. I've been able to track down many poisons from many sources, so I feel it will suffice. And if I did allow poisons made from scratch, I can imagine it would cause immense drag time and difficulty for the player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DracoDei View Post
    Since this has been necrotized and THEN two other people posted on this, I might as well provide a LINK to a spell that keeps poison relevant at higher levels. Probably not as critical in Star Wars (very rare resurrection, if any, dunno about Light-Side powers that cure poison) but maybe it could still be turned into a Dark-Side power.
    Thanks VERY much for the link DracoDei, and I apologize I'm being redundant in adding to this thread. I honestly thought that your previous post about your signature links were for PrCs. I'm also embarrassed I couldn't find this Custom Poison Creation thread Drogorn put up.

    Again, thank you very much. :)

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    Default Re: Poison creation rules

    Quote Originally Posted by McQ View Post
    Thanks VERY much for the link DracoDei, and I apologize I'm being redundant in adding to this thread. I honestly thought that your previous post about your signature links were for PrCs.
    One of them was, one was weird poisons I had made up. The Enhance Poison spell was not created at that time I don't think, or I probably would have linked it then. I created it in between the death of the thread and its reanimation. When it was Ressurected, I posted the link.

    Quote Originally Posted by McQ View Post
    I'm also embarrassed I couldn't find this Custom Poison Creation thread Drogorn put up.
    I wouldn't be too sure that the same thing wasn't going on there without checking the dates.

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    Again, thank you very much. :)
    You are welcome.
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    Question Re: Poison creation rules

    I got in trouble for bringing up this old post

    In it is the ruling to determine the price based on the Craft DC.
    Is it possible to reverse this method to find the Craft DC using the price?
    The ruling is to take the Craft DC, multiply it by 2, and than multiply that by 20.
    So in regards to Arsenic being 120gp, divide by 20, than divide that by 2 and you would reach a Craft DC of 3.
    Does it seem feasible to use this method to determine the Craft DC for poisons with a price but no Craft DC?

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    Default Re: Poison creation rules

    Instead of doing the math backwards, I tried to make it using my rules. Here's what I got:

    Arsenic
    Ingested DC 13 Primary 1d4 str, secondary 2d6 str

    {table=head]Trait | Craft DC Modifier
    Ingested poison | -5
    Fort dc +3 | +6
    Affects all creatures | +0
    1d4 and 2d6 con damage, majority secondary | +5
    Cheap | +5
    Total craft DC | 11
    Crafting Price | 147 gp
    Market Price | 293 gp
    [/table]

    As you can see, it's pretty close.

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