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Thread: Spell/prayer books
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2010-06-29, 01:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spell/prayer books
So, I noticed something recently while thinking about a current character of mine. By RAW, it seems that leveling in any class that doesn't grant you a spell/prayer book shafts you on getting new spells into your book.
Example: You are Jim, a level 5 Archivist. You level up, and you decide to take a level in, say, Divine Oracle (the PrC doesn't really matter, it just has to advance casting). Divine Oracle grants you increased spells per day (and spells known, if applicable). You, for the sake of completeness, decide to make sure you get new spells into your prayerbook this level, and you find this following line of text: "At each new class level, the archivist gains two new spells..." (emphasis mine). Now, you, being somewhat versed in what terms mean in D&D 3.5, realize that this means only Archivist Class Levels (that being what class means in this context). Now you check Divine Oracle, and see no allowances for book spells. It does have that niggly little "spells known, if applicable" clause, but then you go check a spontaneous class, like the Sorcerer, and see they have a level-based table tied to the words "spells known", and figure that clause was for spontaneous casters. You, as Jim, are now sad, and have to go buy spells instead of getting them for free.
My question to the people of the playground: is this an accurate reading? Is it a fair reading? Would you suggest a player should follow this reading, as it is how the rules seem to be intended to function?
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2010-06-29, 01:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Spell/prayer books
I'm fairly certain that book spells are intended to be treated as spells known. Cf. Alacritous Cogitation.
Edit: There are PrC's (Arcane Trickster is one) that leave out the spells known if applicable clause, but I'm fairly certain they are intended to grant them. At least, I don't know anyone who plays otherwise.Last edited by dextercorvia; 2010-06-29 at 01:20 PM.
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2010-06-29, 02:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Spell/prayer books
I think "and spells known, if applicable" is in reference to classes with fixed lists, like Clerics and Warmages, who never increase their spells known (because they know their whole list already.
Therefore, additional spells known wouldn't apply to them, whereas it would apply to Wizards, Sorcerers and Archivists.
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2010-06-29, 02:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Spell/prayer books
I am referring to the fact that as stated Arcane Trickster only grants spells per day, but not spells known.
Originally Posted by SRD
Originally Posted by SRD