[3.5] Non-exotic bludgeoning reach weapon

[Keld Denar]

Name says it all, I'm looking for a non-exotic bludgeoning reach weapon. Attacking close doesn't matter. I know about the Long Staff, but IIRC it is exotic. Anything?

Any official source, no Dragon Mag material please. Lucern Hammer would be ideal, but its stats only appear in a Dragon Mag.

Its has to be bludgeoning, but can be B/S or B/P as well.

[arguskos]

...Dragon Compendium is an official WotC book? Why the prohibition?

As for others... the Lucerne Hammer is actually printed originally for 3e in the Arms and Equipment Guide. They listed it as Piercing, but seriously, the damn thing has a hammer on the end. It's Bludgeoning, and if your DM is THAT pedantic, then I doubt I can help you.

[Keld Denar]

Eh, can't slide the rules for it in this case...has to be legit. And no, Dragon Compendium doesn't count.

[Jack Zander]

Eh, can't slide the rules for it in this case...has to be legit. And no, Dragon Compendium doesn't count.

Except you aren't sliding the rules. It's clearly a typo.

[Boci]

...Dragon Compendium is an official WotC book? Why the prohibition?

Probably because it has a really bad reputation for game balance, plus it harder to get hard copies of it, and there is just so many of them. Many DMs find it a lot more easier to just say no.

Except you aren't sliding the rules. It's clearly a typo.

Yeah, if you're DM is that RAW abiding there is a really good weapon in sandstorm that does 1d43 lethal damage.

To contribute (or sort of): Why is reach important, because you could just wield a blugeoning weapon and get a natural reach, or were you going to combine those two?

[arguskos]

Eh, can't slide the rules for it in this case...has to be legit. And no, Dragon Compendium doesn't count.

...uh... your DM is so pedantic he is unwilling to look at the presented picture, which very clearly has a hammer on it, and say "no no, it's obviously piercing"? That's... really REALLY questionable on his part. What is his objection to changing one thing to suit your character and logic? I understand the Dragon thing (stupid as it is to not check a single piece of material, but sure, he's busy or whatever, that's legit), but really? The hammer is the only viable option here, but due to what's quite likely a typo, you're shafted.

Other options: nothing I can find anywhere. I've checked every book I can think might have weapons in it. The Ramhammer was exotic. The Longstaff is both from Dragon Compendium and is exotic. The Lucerne Hammer is not permitted. The dwarven reach hammer thing from Races of Stone is exotic. Think you're out of luck.

[Fax Celestis]

...a Large greatclub wielded by a Large creature? <_<

[sofawall]

That is not a reach weapon.

[arguskos]

Yeah, ok, just finished checking every book I own that has new weapons. While it's not a complete list of all 3.5 materials, it's pretty extensive, and I cannot find a weapon that does what you need it to do. They're all either the Lucerne Hammer or Exotic.

[Boci]

That is not a reach weapon.

But it has reach, and since such a weapon the OP described does not appear to exist...
Alternativly, are there any ways to change the damage type of a weapon?

[sofawall]

But it has reach

Not, it does not. A greatclub has no reach. A large creature, sure, he has some reach. The greatclub? No.

[Fax Celestis]

Wait, I thought the longstaff from CArc was usable by anyone who could use a quarterstaff, but gained additional benefits if you took the EWP for it.

[2xMachina]

Kusari Gama?

Slash/Bludge I think. 2 handed for reach.

[Boci]

Not, it does not. A greatclub has no reach. A large creature, sure, he has some reach. The greatclub? No.

Sorry, 4 in the morning. I meant what you said. It has the affect of reach.

[AustontheGreat1]

A regular club has a range of 10ft. and is free (because it's a stick). You could throw it.

[arguskos]

The Longstaff, upon a double-check, is not actually a reach weapon in any incarnation I have of it. Further, it's exotic (it counts as a quarterstaff for the purposes of several feats, nothing more).

[AustontheGreat1]

Why not just spring for the exotic weapon proficiency? Personally, I love taking that feat. It makes me feel like I deserve to be wielding the weapon. Then again, I can't stand optimization. To the point of frequently gimping my character intentionally. I take toughness for goodness sake.

[sofawall]

Kusari Gama?

Slash/Bludge I think. 2 handed for reach.

Exotic, so no.

[arguskos]

Why not just spring for the exotic weapon proficiency? Personally, I love taking that feat. It makes me feel like I deserve to be wielding the weapon. Then again, I can't stand optimization. To the point of frequently gimping my character intentionally. I take toughness for goodness sake.

Probably, there either is a DM restriction to not do so or he can't spare the feat slot (much more likely).

Personally, I agree with you, so I created a bunch of new weapons that are actually deserving of the title of "exotic" and just use those.

[Siosilvar]

...uh... your DM is so pedantic he is unwilling to look at the presented picture, which very clearly has a hammer on it, and say "no no, it's obviously piercing"? That's... really REALLY questionable on his part. What is his objection to changing one thing to suit your character and logic? I understand the Dragon thing (stupid as it is to not check a single piece of material, but sure, he's busy or whatever, that's legit), but really? The hammer is the only viable option here, but due to what's quite likely a typo, you're shafted.

Lucerne Hammers are not really hammers, as far as I know; they're more like hammers with spikes on the corners. Thus, piercing damage.

[Zaq]

Maybe magic is the way to go. There are a couple items from the MIC that give you reach, with various restrictions... or you could take that one weapon enchantment (Skillful, I think?) that makes you auto-proficient, then just use one of the exotic ones.

Oh, or use the spell Earth Hammer on a non-bludgeoning reach weapon. Makes it bludgeoning, among other things.

...seriously, though, I agree with Boci. If your GM insists on following the tables that closely, show him the 1d43 weapon, and if/when he refuses to allow it, ask him what the difference is.

Or just homebrew it. It's not overpowered. I can think of two things that bludgeoning weapons can do that piercing or slashing weapons can't do, and neither of those is worth making a fuss over.

[AustontheGreat1]

Out of curiosity, why is it so important that it be a bludgeoning reach weapon?

[Zaq]

Out of curiosity, why is it so important that it be a bludgeoning reach weapon?

I would guess he wants a reach weapon because reach weapons are good, and bludgeoning for Greater Mighty Wallop and/or Brutal Strike.

That is merely a guess, though. I, too, am curious.

[Keld Denar]

Yup yup, Zaq got it right. GMWallop use. I'll have multiple weapons that qualify, and I want to use it on all of them.

And RAW only because its a build challenge among some of my college buddies. No houserules in build challenges.

[arguskos]

Eh... I'm pretty sure you're shafted. I don't think any such weapon exists if you're unwilling to use the updated version of the Lucerne Hammer. Everything is either exotic or disallowed.

Can you not spare a feat, though? Or use the Weapon Groups from Unearthed Arcana (not sure if those are permitted)? There's gotta be a feat you can cut somewhere.

[Fax Celestis]

Tentacles are bludgeoning weapons. Cast evard's menacing tentacles or something.

[Keld Denar]

Fax, I love you...

Anyone know if you can use a Slam attack if your hands are full?

Slap or Slam
The creature batters opponents with an appendage, dealing bludgeoning damage

Could I attack with say...a greatclub, then slam with either my foot or my shoulder or something?

[nyjastul69]

Eh... I'm pretty sure you're shafted. I don't think any such weapon exists if you're unwilling to use the updated version of the Lucerne Hammer. Everything is either exotic or disallowed.

Can you not spare a feat, though? Or use the Weapon Groups from Unearthed Arcana (not sure if those are permitted)? There's gotta be a feat you can cut somewhere.

Where is the updated version of the lucerne hammer?

[Coidzor]

Fax, I love you...

Anyone know if you can use a Slam attack if your hands are full?



Could I attack with say...a greatclub, then slam with either my foot or my shoulder or something?

Natural attacks, as long as the natural attack appendage isn't used to make a weapon attack it's fair game to be used.

[2xMachina]

Where are you getting the slam attack from?