Mystic Theurge Build 3.5

[~Nye~]

Hi guys,
I'm planning on playing a mystic theurge in our D&D game, he is loosely based on Vivi in FF9, but the defensive version. I'll put up a character sketch. I have scoured the internet for advice on building one, I have come to a conclusion my build as planned is:

Dromite
Wiz1/Healer3/MyT X

Str 7
Dex 16
Con 9
Int 17
Wis 9
Cha 17

I'm intending to take the precoscious apprentice feat (lets you cast a 2nd lvl spell), I've convinced my DM to allow it, because I have taken some harsh penalties, I have a flaw with no bonus feat. but instead of casting of wis, I'm using charisma, (DM allowed this) I'm going fully defensive and healing. I've got a few imeadiate and swift spells written down which I intend to take So in combat I'll be popping off 2 or 3 spells a round. My feats I am intending to take from level 1-20 are as
followed:
3:Sacred Vow
6:Vow of Non-Violence
9: Quicken Spell
12: metamagic focus Conj
15 touch of healing
18: ?

I'm taking a few skill tricks to take to help with casting. Some are really awesome, and I advise everyone to have a look at them.

Anyways, if anyone here could givve me some nice spell advice, on the dispelling/buffing side (wiz) and some healing spells that are in the cleric spell list, (instead of my unicorn companion, I get Advanced learning like a warmage, but my selection is restricted to conjouration [Healing] Spells). I have a few feats jotted down. If anyone has any advice on playing a MyT please just give me advice.
Also, I know in some respects this build might be completely broken and really not viable in a normal game, but I just want some feedback from you guys, if you think this could break a game or make it.
Cheers for reading
Nye.

[Prodan]

Also, I know in some respects this build might be completely broken and really not viable in a normal game

By "broken" do you mean "horribly overpowered" or "horrendously underpowered"?

[Optimystik]

Healer is a very bad idea... The fact that you've lowered your MAD from 3 attriibutes to 2 does help, but it's still weak. Is there any particular reason for it? Is it just for the unicorn?

[Greenish]

Vow of Nonviolence may annoy the other players, make sure they're okay with you taking it.

Also, for the goddess' sake, con penalty? Swap Con and Dex, since with defensive focus (and the vow), you won't be needing the hit.

[EvilJoe15]

I can break a Theurge, but I use things like Ur-priest, and Sanctum Spell.

As it stands your build is broken, and not viable. If you like I can show you the dark side of the Theurge.

[elonin]

I'd cut this a little slack if this is representative of the power level of the party. In general its advisable to steer clear of planning to heal in combat. What are you planning to do with that wizard side of the build?

[~Nye~]

Vow of Nonviolence may annoy the other players, make sure they're okay with you taking it.

Also, for the goddess' sake, con penalty? Swap Con and Dex, since with defensive focus (and the vow), you won't be needing the hit.

I've already gone through talking about the vows with other members of our group, generally, I'm the squishiest and weakest. On the wizard side of things, I had loads of fun in a one shot game where I had a beguier popping off halt, interupt and hesitate spells. I'm taking things like overwhelm. Why not play a beguiler you ask? I want to be able to cast dispel and stuff. then play a favoured soul you say... erm no thanks.

I prefer having a high dex on my characters, my spell I have taken with precoscious apprentice is the luminous armour from the book of exalted deeds. gives me +4 AC for a hour per level, gives *all* attackers that try and bash me -5 to hit. It doesn't say just those with light sensitivity. they get a bigger penalty. atm I have a tortoise familiar, and buffed with that spell I have 22 AC at lvl 1. (or 27).

I'm thinking of rolling differantly alltogether, mayber healer combat medic.

@Eviljoe 15
I would prefer somthing that doesn't melt faces :D

[Keld Denar]

Be a straight buffer wizard. Master Specialist Transmuter. Focus on buffs that make your party 10 times the party they already are. Maybe dabble in a little bit of Conjouration to impose on your enemies actions. I think you'll have a lot of fun with that, especially at lowish levels while your Mystic Theurge character is still struggling to get off the ground.

[mabriss lethe]

I would suggest Archivist as opposed to Healer, just on the general principle that Archivist and Wizard both cast off of Int and it's one less thing to worry about. (and archivists are just a really solid class)

[Sindri]

Be a straight buffer wizard. Master Specialist Transmuter. Focus on buffs that make your party 10 times the party they already are. Maybe dabble in a little bit of Conjouration to impose on your enemies actions. I think you'll have a lot of fun with that, especially at lowish levels while your Mystic Theurge character is still struggling to get off the ground.

Why is it that no matter what build request you make, you'll get at least one person telling you to do a straight wizard?

[dextercorvia]

Why is it that no matter what build request you make, you'll get at least one person telling you to do a straight wizard?

Is there any problem that wizard casting can't solve?

[Optimystik]

Why is it that no matter what build request you make, you'll get at least one person telling you to do a straight wizard?

Because many people, when they say "I want to be X" really mean "I want to be something that can do Y." Though wizards can do just about anything, the means are not always apparent, so the asker may not have considered them.

[Keld Denar]

The player wanted to play a support character who helped the party out. Thats a buffer wizard, a buffer archivist, a buffer cleric, or a buffer druid. A healer can't do what she wants to do. Therefore, I recommended something that will.

This is an internet message board. People who ask questions will encounter all kinds of advise. They are free to take what they want and leave the rest. Your snark is irrelevant.

[Sindri]

So if I were to say "I want a stereotypical dumb barbarian" what would be your wizardly answer?

[dextercorvia]

So if I were to say "I want a stereotypical dumb barbarian" what would be your wizardly answer?

Malconvoker.

Dumb time limits between posts.

Edit: Or an Enchanter with a Dominated Barbarian if you would like a weaker version.

[arguskos]

This is an internet message board. People who ask questions will encounter all kinds of advise. They are free to take what they want and leave the rest. Your snark is irrelevant.

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*cuts communication*

[Keld Denar]

Nope. But thats not what was asked.

It depends on what you want to do with your barbarian. Straight Barb20 is probably not the best you could do, but splashing in a couple levels of fighter in there, leading into a nice PrC that maintains your BAB while giving you other, more useful abilities.

But for what the OP wanted...yes, wizard IS a good answer.

[Greenish]

So if I were to say "I want a stereotypical dumb barbarian" what would be your wizardly answer?

A level of barbarian, two of Rage Mage, Extra Rage feat once or twice, Abjurant Champion and other gish PrCs to taste.

You can be both intelligent and really dumb at the same time.

[Sindri]

A level of barbarian, two of Rage Mage, Extra Rage feat once or twice, Abjurant Champion and other gish PrCs to taste.

Touche, sir.

[Escheton]

Vivi is the blackmage looking one that was in kingdom hearts 2 as well right?
If so you might be going for covered face look-thing and playing a kobold or dragonborn of bahamut wouldnt have as much of an impact as it usually has.
Why?
Because dragonblooded can pick up the vigor-aura with a feat I think.
If not, just get the reserve-feat that lets you do the same but slower.

Even though healer plays better for the flavor and does what it needs to do. Have you considered healerdomain cleric or cloistered cleric for that matter.
Cloistered clerics have that templeguarded pacifics feel. Regardless of what the cheesemonkeys do with them.

Love dromites though. Cha boost and nat armor plays well with a cha caster like healer.
They are more psionically inclined and perhaps this is an idea as well: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20020525a

[Psyx]

See if you can ask the GM to change Healer a little, as they are rather weak. Perhaps spontaneous healing and some turning/a domain.

It won't break the game, the class is a bit poor as published, and you're very much playing a 'team' character, so it wouldn't be rude to ask.

[Vizzerdrix]

Have you considered going cloistered cleric, and asking the DM if you can swap out a domain for a customized defensive focused one?

Also, take a look at the warweaver. It'll let you buff and defend your whole party at once, so you won't have to pick who gets a buff, and who sits exposed each round.

[Critical]

Geez, just use Ur-Priest with it and enjoy the ride.

[Optimystik]

Geez, just use Ur-Priest with it and enjoy the ride.

Ur-Priests generally don't do well as exalted characters

[DragoonWraith]

If he's taking the Vow of Nonviolence anyway, why not just go Apostle of Peace? Same faster progression as the Ur-Priest, and is rather fitting I think?

Or is Vow of Peace the even-more-obnoxious one and he hasn't taken that?

[~Nye~]

Hi, thanks for replies.
I have looked at war weaver, and combat medic. This will annoy a few people, but I do enjoy playing weak or underpowered classes, I've rolled an adept before, my friends thought I was stupid, but it was a fun character.
If any of you guys have/had played WoW, I want to make somthing like a disc priest, I looked into the variant rule for favoured souls, instead of diety weapon focus, they add the spell level x3 to temp hit points, on all buffs and heals cast upon a friendly, if anyone had played with some mechanics involving that, that would be cool. I've played a wizard before. I haven't looked into the cloistered cleric much, I wanted somthing with a differant style from a cleric which my last character was, and my character before that was an archivist. I love them both they were awesome. An apostle of peace seems a bit too OP, my DM would stomp me into the ground if I tried rolling it.
At the moment, I think what I'll end up doing is sitting in otilukes resilient sphere and having my spectral hand buffing with touch spells.

[Optimystik]

Or is Vow of Peace the even-more-obnoxious one and he hasn't taken that?

It is indeed

VoN: "Knock him out. If he surrenders but tries to attack us after that, kill him."
"You accidentally killed that guy? Now you're going to feel sad for awhile, sorry about that."

VoPe: "Was that a bug in my tea? OH GOD MY FEAT!!!"
"No guys, we have to tie up that Pit Fiend and take him with us, or I'll fall!"

(Why the hell didn't they include evil outsiders in the exception?)

[Mongoose87]

If he's taking the Vow of Nonviolence anyway, why not just go Apostle of Peace? Same faster progression as the Ur-Priest, and is rather fitting I think?

Or is Vow of Peace the even-more-obnoxious one and he hasn't taken that?

Well, they have to take VoP, too, so there's a lot of suck involved.

[Os1ris09]

I can break a Theurge, but I use things like Ur-priest, and Sanctum Spell.

As it stands your build is broken, and not viable. If you like I can show you the dark side of the Theurge.

Great here we go again.....

[DragoonWraith]

Well, they have to take VoP, too, so there's a lot of suck involved.

Ack, really? God, I hate that stupid book.