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    My DM has told me a few things about the upcoming game.
    I am the only player, but will be switching between the four party members.
    It's 1st level.
    It's the Tomb of Horrors.
    He asked me for munchkined characters. Seriously.

    I suck at munchkining. As such, I am asking for help with creating the characters.
    EDIT: Please tell me where the heck this stuff comes from.
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    Sun Elf, Elven Generalist, Collegiate Wizard, Spellcasting Prodegy (Int)

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    Sun Elf, Elven Generalist, Collegiate Wizard, Spellcasting Prodegy (Int)

    Huge number of spells known, +2 int, int counted as 2 higher for purpose of bonus spells, extra spell slot of highest level known.
    Should I have mentioned, "Tell me where the heck this stuff is."?
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    Tomb of horrors at 1st level?

    You are going to die.

    So hard.

    Please do a campaign log. I want to see the results of your misadventures.

    We did it at 8th level and lost a character in the first monster encounter due to one full attack. Even with our sacks of infinite donkeys it was an industrial murder factory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subject42 View Post
    Tomb of horrors at 1st level?

    You are going to die.

    So hard.

    Please do a campaign log. I want to see the results of your misadventures.

    We did it at 8th level and lost a character in the first monster encounter due to one full attack. Even with our sacks of infinite donkeys it was an industrial murder factory.
    Alright, I will.
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    Wait, sacks of infinite donkeys?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWyrmGold View Post
    Alright, I will.
    ...
    Wait, sacks of infinite donkeys?!?
    It's an item in the MiC called the Survival Pouch that has a daily number of charges that can be expended for useful items. Among other things, you can pull Mules out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subject42 View Post
    It's an item in the MiC called the Survival Pouch that has a daily number of charges that can be expended for useful items. Among other things, you can pull Mules out of it.
    But how can it be infinite?
    Also, I hope this thread isn't getting derailed.
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    In the tome of horrors.... you will want a monk, two rogues and a cleric...

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    In the tome of horrors.... you will want a monk, two rogues and a cleric...
    Are you serious? On the internet, it's hard to tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWyrmGold View Post
    My DM has told me a few things about the upcoming game.
    I am the only player, but will be switching between the four party members.
    It's 1st level.
    It's the Tomb of Horrors.
    He asked me for munchkined characters. Seriously.
    ... Good luck.
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    ... Good luck.
    Thanks. [10 character rule]
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    Partial Pin-Pun? Seriously, boost all states to 100 or something, give some bonus abilities, and you should be set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boci View Post
    Partial Pin-Pun? Seriously, boost all states to 100 or something, give some bonus abilities, and you should be set.
    I've read Pun-Pun; it A.) requires a +1 LA template and B.) only works at 4th level.
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    I've read Pun-Pun; it A.) requires a +1 LA template and B.) only works at 4th level.
    Actually, they found a way to do it at first level with no LA
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    Not quite. There's a version that can get started at level 1.
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    Actually, they found a way to do it at first level with no LA
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    Not quite. There's a version that can get started at level 1.
    How? Boy, do I run into the 10-character rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavar View Post
    Not quite. There's a version that can get started at level 1.
    It involves a DC 21 Knowledge: Religion check, Pazuzu, and can be done with any class or race that is not within one step of Chaotic Evil (though Paladin works best for class and a Kobold is traditional). Just to provide more detail on that.

    I don't think I can help in any other way though, sorry.
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    Kobold Paladin.
    Pazuzu pazuzu pazuzu
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    How? Boy, do I run into the 10-character rule.
    Boost your knowledge planes modifier enough to learn that pazuzu grants wishes, then say his name three times and be any alignment other than CE, preferably a paladin. Start infinite wish chain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrochan View Post
    In the tome of horrors.... you will want a monk, two rogues and a cleric...
    That sounds like a scary book

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    Go Battle Stalwart Sorcerer 1 (One of these is in Complete Mage, the other I want to say the SRD/Unearthed Arcana) Whitedragonspawn (Dragonlance Campaign Setting) Loredrake (Dragons of Eberron) Spell-hoarding Dragon Psychosis (Dragon 313, I want to say) Dragonwrought (Races of the Dragon) Kobold.

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    "See these cookies? Note how while good they taste sort of bland. Now try these, they're the same cookies but with chocolate chips added. Notice how with the second batch we expended slightly more ingredients but dramatically enhanced the flavor? That's metamagic."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boci View Post
    Boost your knowledge planes modifier enough to learn that pazuzu grants wishes, then say his name three times and be any alignment other than CE, preferably a paladin. Start infinite wish chain.
    Thanks...except, how the infinite wish chain?
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    Is the monk there so you'll have someone expendable that you can push into suspected traps and gargoyle mouthes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrice Dead Cat View Post
    Go Battle Stalwart Sorcerer 1 (One of these is in Complete Mage, the other I want to say the SRD/Unearthed Arcana) Whitedragonspawn (Dragonlance Campaign Setting) Loredrake (Dragons of Eberron) Spell-hoarding Dragon Psychosis (Dragon 313, I want to say) Dragonwrought (Races of the Dragon) Kobold.

    All your sorcerer casting turns into wizard casting. You have spells as a 4th level wizard. Go nuts.
    If only I had access to half of those sources...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWyrmGold View Post
    If only I had access to half of those sources...
    Try crystalkeep.com. The base classes have been removed, but it still have a good source of templates and races. Lore drake just gives you a +2 to caster level and makes your casting int based I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boci View Post
    Try crystalkeep.com. The base classes have been removed, but it still have a good source of templates and races. Lore drake just gives you a +2 to caster level and makes your casting int based I believe.
    Spell-hoarding is the one that switches it to wizard (and therefore Int-based) casting.

    This is where I got most of the info.
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    "See these cookies? Note how while good they taste sort of bland. Now try these, they're the same cookies but with chocolate chips added. Notice how with the second batch we expended slightly more ingredients but dramatically enhanced the flavor? That's metamagic."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boci View Post
    Boost your knowledge planes modifier enough to learn that pazuzu grants wishes, then say his name three times and be any alignment other than CE, preferably a paladin. Start infinite wish chain.
    In case this isn't clear enough:

    1. Ask for a Candle of Invocation keyed to the alignment Lawful Evil.

    2. Use it for its Gate function and call an Efreeti. Make it grant you its Wishes, asking for two things of your choice and another Candle of Invocation.

    3. Go to 2.

    Since both of the Wishes are used as Spell-Like Abilities they cost no XP, and there is therefore no limit to the value of a magic item made using the Wish. You can in fact use one of these Wishes for a Ring of Infinite Wishes (which is not a standard available item, and so cannot be counted on as much) or for a casting of Simulacrum (with no components required because the Wish is an SLA) to give you a perfectly obidient Efreeti. Not as powerful as a normal one, but still able to use Wish (HD halving doesn't remove any abilities the creature has). Then use Wishes from that for more Simulacra and you get an ever increasing number of Wishes and expendable troops.

    EDIT: Hey, I managed to start this explanation before it was actually requested and finish it only shortly afterwards.

    EDIT 2: I prefer Factotum'd. My Wis is appalling and I need every Knoledge in class for all the useless information I carry around.
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    Thanks...except, how the infinite wish chain?
    Wish for a Candle of Invocation, use it to Gate an Efreeti, demand three wishes from the Efreeti.

    EDIT: Swordsage'd.
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    greatwyrm, remember that if you make pun-pun the dm will say rocks fall, pun-pun dies
    but i'm certanly not going to destroy the world unless i get really, really bored.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudodragon View Post
    greatwyrm, remember that if you make pun-pun the dm will say rocks fall, pun-pun dies
    That's why i reccomended partial pun-pun. Its not as if he can succeed any other way.
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