Feats that Scale? (3.5/PF)

[Tanuki Tales]

Is there a list anywhere of Feats that scale with your level/HD?


Starting a list here:

- Ancestral Weapon (Book of Exalted Deeds)
- Craven (Champions of Ruin)
- Improved Familiar (Multiple sources)
- Improved Toughness (Multiple sources)
- Leadership (Core)
- Obtain Familiar (Complete Arcane)
- Power Attack (Core)
- Vow of Poverty (Book of Exalted Deeds)
- Wild Cohort (WoTC website)
- Undead Leadership (Libris Mortis)

[PId6]

Not that I'm aware of.

If you want to get started though, here's a list of core feats that fully scale by level:

• Power Attack
• Leadership

[Glimbur]

Improved Toughness scales with level as well. It's in... Complete Warrior?

[Tanuki Tales]

Starting a list, have those three and remembered Vow of Poverty.

[Eurus]

Does Martial Study/Stance count?

[The Dark Fiddler]

Wild Cohort scales your companion's power. That count?

[Tar Palantir]

Craven is a big one.

[Tanuki Tales]

Does Martial Study/Stance count?

It doesn't scale, it's just level dependent.

Adding Craven and Wild Cohort (and will add Obtain Familiar once I remember where its from.)

[Sc00by]

Does Martial Study/Stance count?

How does that scale? They give you a maneuver, you can't upgrade it later... As stated above craven!

I guess there is an arguement that the various multilclassing ones (daring outlaw springs to mind) do?

Edit: Obtain familiar is in Comp. Arcane (), don't forget Improved familiar (Comp. Warr (among others*) either ;)


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Improved Familiar CW 100 This feat allows spellcasters to acquire a new familiar from a nonstandard list, but only when they could normally acquire a new familiar.
Improved Familiar FRCS 35 So long as you are able to acquire a new familiar, you may choose your new familiar from a nonstandard list.
Improved Familiar PG 39 Refer to the Improved Familiar feat description on page 200 of the Dungeon Master's Guide.
Improved Familiar Rac 165 See the discussion of the Improved Familiar feat in Chapter 1 of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting. Table A-5 shows additional improved familiars from this book that are available with this feat.
Improved Familiar SK 146 Refer to the Improved Familiar feat description in the Dungeon Master's Guide.
Improved Familiar TB 40 As long as you are able to acquire a new familiar, you may choose your new familiar from a nonstandard list.

[Eurus]

How does that scale? They give you a maneuver, you can't upgrade it later... As stated above craven!

I guess there is an arguement that the various multilclassing ones (daring outlaw springs to mind) do?

Edit: Obtain familiar is core, don't forget Improved familiar either ;)

It doesn't scale once you have it, but its effects depend on the level that you get it. And some maneuvers are level-dependent, so...

[Tanuki Tales]

It doesn't scale once you have it, but its effects depend on the level that you get it. And some maneuvers are level-dependent, so...

The Maneuvers aren't the feat itself though, so I'm not adding it to my list; YMMV.

[Sc00by]

It doesn't scale once you have it, but its effects depend on the level that you get it. And some maneuvers are level-dependent, so...

I see what you mean, but the OP wants feats that you take and then they give you more as you progress in levels. Which the 2 martial feats don't.

Edit: Multiclass Swordsage/rogue/assassin'ed

Oh and I edited my previous post about 6 times. Sorry about that.

[Tanuki Tales]

I guess there is an arguement that the various multilclassing ones (daring outlaw springs to mind) do?


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Eh....I'm not entirely sure with that myself.

It allows you to stack certain class levels for certain class features, but I don't know if I'd really call that scaling like the rest of the feats on the list so far.

[Sc00by]

T'was just a thought... they sort of scale in so much you get more class features, but I see your point.

In another thought:
Ancestrial Relic? (BoED)

[Tanuki Tales]

T'was just a thought... they sort of scale in so much you get more class features, but I see your point.

In another thought:
Ancestrial Relic? (BoED)

Added to the list.

[PId6]

Most of the domain feats from Complete Champion do.

• Air Devotion
• Animal Devotion
• Chaos Devotion
• Death Devotion
• Destruction Devotion
• Earth Devotion
• Evil Devotion
• Fire Devotion
• Good Devotion
• Healing Devotion
• Knowledge Devotion
• Law Devotion
• Magic Devotion
• Plant Devotion
• Protection Devotion
• Strength Devotion
• Sun Devotion
• Trickery Devotion
• War Devotion
• Water Devotion

[Zaakar]

Would the bloodline feats that extend your spellist count?

[Tanuki Tales]

Most of the domain feats from Complete Champion do.

• Air Devotion
• Animal Devotion
• Chaos Devotion
• Death Devotion
• Destruction Devotion
• Earth Devotion
• Evil Devotion
• Fire Devotion
• Good Devotion
• Healing Devotion
• Knowledge Devotion
• Law Devotion
• Magic Devotion
• Plant Devotion
• Protection Devotion
• Strength Devotion
• Sun Devotion
• Trickery Devotion
• War Devotion
• Water Devotion

Knowledge Devotion doesn't scale. The Knowledge skill does scale, but that only changes the likelihood of the feat itself keying off high.

@Zakaar: Which feats?

[EnnPeeCee]

Combat Expertise, goes along with Power Attack

[Zaakar]

There are very many of them. Some examples:
Air Bloodline
Draconic Bloodline
Necromantic Bloodline
Plant Bloodline

Some are kinda weird
They seem to be from the dragon books (above examples from #311 and #325) if you don't like to use that page as a source.

Edit:
The ones I could find:

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air bloodline
anarchic bloodline
aquatic fey bloodline
axiomatic bloodline
celestial bloodline
draconic bloodline
earth bloodline
fey bloodline
fiendish bloodline
fire bloodline
illithid bloodline
necromantic bloodline
penumbra bloodline
plant bloodline
serpent bloodline
water bloodline

[balistafreak]

Combat Expertise, goes along with Power Attack

Actually using Combat Expertise in combat is generally considered to be A Bad Idea, though.

It's still probably better than Improved Toughness, though, so I can't actually tell you to not offer it.

... on an unrelated note, what was that feat that let you regain your BAB every other turn when Combat Expertising? You'd Combat Expertise one turn, which would somehow "carry over" into the next turn, letting you make a full BAB attack. You'd then Combat Expertise again, etc.

[Tanuki Tales]

There are very many of them. Some examples:
Air Bloodline
Draconic Bloodline
Necromantic Bloodline
Plant Bloodline

Some are kinda weird
They seem to be from the dragon books (above examples from #311 and #325) if you don't like to use that page as a source.

I'm not going to include them on the list since all they really do is give bonus spells and they kind of fall into the same category as Daring Outlaw and co. YMMV.

[PId6]

Combat Expertise, goes along with Power Attack

By itself, it doesn't scale past 5th level. You need Improved Combat Expertise to do that (not that you'd want to).

[Tyndmyr]

It's still probably better than Improved Toughness, though, so I can't actually tell you to not offer it.

Improved toughness isn't that bad...it's like having a hit die one step higher. It's not amazing, but it's one of the easiest options for a solid survivability boost, and unlike toughness, it at least retains some usability at higher levels.

[Zeta Kai]

Improved Toughness scales with level as well. It's in... Complete Warrior?

IT is in Complete Warrior, Libris Mortis, & the Monster Manual III. It's basically the same in all three, it's better in almost every way from the normal version, it doesn't require the normal version as a prerequisite (you only need a base Fortitude save bonus of +2), & you should be able to take it again if you wanted to.

[Greenish]

Knowledge Devotion doesn't scale.

It scales with the knowledge skill.

What about feats that grant you more spells known (such as Gatekeeper Initiate, for example)? They scale in the sense that as you get higher level spells, you get access to new spells from the feat.

[Tanuki Tales]

It scales with the knowledge skill.

What about feats that grant you more spells known (such as Gatekeeper Initiate, for example)? They scale in the sense that as you get higher level spells, you get access to new spells from the feat.

And as I said, the feat doesn't scale, just the skill it keys off of.

And as I also said, I'm not including feats like those.

[Greenish]

And as I said, the feat doesn't scale, just the skill it keys off of.

The benefits from the feat increase with your knowledge skill. I'd say that's the same thing as scaling with the knowledge skill.

And as I also said, I'm not including feats like those.

Ah, missed that.

[Edit]: Undead Leadership.

[Tanuki Tales]

The benefits from the feat increase with your knowledge skill. I'd say that's the same thing as scaling with the knowledge skill.
Ah, missed that.

[Edit]: Undead Leadership.

But the feat itself doesn't scale.

And added.

[Greenish]

But the feat itself doesn't scale.

Much like how Power Attack doesn't scale: it gives the same benefit on level 1 as it does on level 20, which is that you can convert BAB to damage.

Of course, as your BAB improves, so does the benefit from the feat, much like how you benefit more from Knowledge Devotion as your knowledge skill increases.