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2010-07-23, 01:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Dragon without wings?
Hi, is there a dragon, that has no wings?
If not, is there any other monster, with dragon-like appearance, but without wings?
I was picturing something like Glaurung...
Ty for the help.
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2010-07-23, 01:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Rage Drake MM3 page 130
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2010-07-23, 01:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon without wings?
Linnorms, Landwyrms... It depends on which edition you're interested in. The most recent version I've seen for Landwyrms is in 3.5 Dragonomicon. Linnorms last showed up in MM2, I think. There also used to be a 'Great Wyrm' in another old Dragon Magazine, but I don't think it ever got updated to 3.5.
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2010-07-23, 01:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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So he's...dragon his feet?
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2010-07-23, 02:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon without wings?
in D&D 2.x / 3.x, oriental dragons didn't have wings but could still fly.
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2010-07-23, 02:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ellery: "We will not be caught by surprise."
Entreri: "Almost everyone I've killed uttered similar last words."
Jarlaxle: "Then I am glad once again that you are on my side."
Entreri: "They've often said that too."
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2010-07-23, 02:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon without wings?
Uhm, gold dragons, anyone?
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2010-07-23, 03:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-23, 04:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-23, 05:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-23, 05:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Reversed wing template? Yeah yeah I know, CR doesn't work that way.
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2010-07-23, 06:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-23, 06:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Chinese dragons obviously
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2010-07-23, 06:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon without wings?
True dragons without wings or flight, occur in Faerun- the Brown Dragon (Monsters of Faerun) and the Rattleyr (Shining South).
In Dragon Compendium, the Yellow Dragon has flight, but not wings or wing attacks.
The pic of the Orange Dragon in the same book looks like it has no wings- but the description doesn't say so, nor does it mention it not having wing attacks.
Sand dragons (Sandstorm) and fang dragons (Draconomicon) do have wings- but those of the Sand Dragon are more like side fins- very like the Gold Dragon. They still have wing attacks.Last edited by hamishspence; 2010-07-23 at 06:20 AM.
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2010-07-23, 07:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Looks like I got them confused. I thought the brown dragon was called a sand dragon.
Those Dragon magazine dragons are awesome, by the way. The orange dragon spits balls of exploding phlegm, while the purple dragon can turn its breath weapon into a lightsaber. I so want to play a character who grafted a wyrmling purple dragon's head onto the end of his arm.Last edited by Prime32; 2010-07-23 at 07:31 AM.
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2010-07-23, 07:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon without wings?
Stygian Dragons? The ones that live in the Styx (they have flippers)
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2010-07-23, 08:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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I thought they could fly though (their flippers look like very tiny wings)
If not, they might qualify. And if their wings can't be used for wing blows, it might be fair to call them "effectively wingless".
As I recall, the Brainstealer Dragon from Dragon Magazine also had very tiny wings.Marut-2 Avatar by Serpentine
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2010-07-23, 08:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon without wings?
If you're playing 2nd edition, the Brown Dragon is actually flightless and I don't think the crystal dragon has wings either. Actually come to think of it, I don't think the cloud dragon or the mist dragon has wings either but I could be wrong and I don't have access to the 2nd edition MM right now.
Both would be fairly easy to adapt to 3.x or Pathfinder if you can find the stat block for them. The brown dragon burrows into the sand in deserts and sort of competes with the blue dragon for territory. The crystal dragon is one of this sweet crazy psionic ones, and the last two live in clouds and waterfalls/hot spring areas. Brown breathes a line of acid, crystal breathes a spray of crystal shards, cloud dragons breathe a burst of frigid cold with large ice crystals, mist dragons breathe a line of superheated steam.
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2010-07-23, 08:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-23, 09:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-23, 09:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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There's heaps. I'm just gonna go through the Draconomicon and monster manuals (assuming you're talking about 3.5e):
Dragon turtle (MM1 p. 88)
Spiked Felldrake (Drac. p. 160)
Landwyrms, various (Drac. p. 168)
Styx dragon (Drac. p. 188)
Felldrakes (MM2 p. 97)
Linnorms (MM2 p. 140)
Dracotaur MM3 p. 42)
Dragon eel (MM3 p. 44)
Rage drake (MM3 p. 130)
Alas, it appears I don't have my MM4. And I'm too lazy to go through the Dragon magazines. I recommend perusing Crystal Keep.
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2010-07-23, 09:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon without wings?
A Komodo Dragon?
Just reflavour a monitor lizard
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/lizardMonitor.htm
You don't really need to reflavour much, since a Komodo Dragon is also known as a Komodo Monitor, but you can increase the size, stats and add a breath weapon and such to make it more threatening depending on the level of the party.Last edited by Theodoriph; 2010-07-23 at 09:59 AM.
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2010-07-23, 10:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon without wings?
The Fang Dragon (Draconomicon) and Sand Dragon (Sandstorm) both have wings, though the Fang Dragon lacks a breath weapon and instead has a Con-draining bite. The Brown Dragon (Monsters of Faerun), however, has useless, vestigial wings.
Linnorms (MM2), the Rage Drake (MM3), and the Landwyrms (Draconomicon) are all wingless. The Spell Eater (Dragon Magic) is a rather unconventional-looking dragon that is also wingless.
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2010-07-23, 01:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon without wings?
Dragon 344 has the chole dragon, a tentacled dragon from the Abyss. Dragon 345 has three kinds of sea serpents, which are amphibious true dragons.
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2010-07-29, 11:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thank you guys! Wow, there is alot of them! I wasn't aware of that...
Ellery: "We will not be caught by surprise."
Entreri: "Almost everyone I've killed uttered similar last words."
Jarlaxle: "Then I am glad once again that you are on my side."
Entreri: "They've often said that too."
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2010-07-30, 05:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dragon without wings?
Most of the Lung dragons from OA lack wings. One mostly looks like a turtle.
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2010-07-30, 11:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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While we're on the subject, whats a brown dragon's land speed? I don't have access to it anymore but i need to know if they can out run a horse.
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2010-07-30, 05:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Orange from DMC (Dragon Magazine Compendium)
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2010-07-30, 11:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-30, 11:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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