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    Hi, is there a dragon, that has no wings?
    If not, is there any other monster, with dragon-like appearance, but without wings?

    I was picturing something like Glaurung...


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    Rage Drake MM3 page 130

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    Linnorms, Landwyrms... It depends on which edition you're interested in. The most recent version I've seen for Landwyrms is in 3.5 Dragonomicon. Linnorms last showed up in MM2, I think. There also used to be a 'Great Wyrm' in another old Dragon Magazine, but I don't think it ever got updated to 3.5.
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    So he's...dragon his feet?
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    in D&D 2.x / 3.x, oriental dragons didn't have wings but could still fly.

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    Danke!
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    Uhm, gold dragons, anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombimode View Post
    Uhm, gold dragons, anyone?
    Gold dragons have wings. They're just not like the wings of a bat, like other dragons.

    Though at least in 2nd Edition, they could make their wings disappear in order to be better swimmers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rose Dragon View Post
    Gold dragons have wings. They're just not like the wings of a bat, like other dragons.

    Though at least in 2nd Edition, they could make their wings disappear in order to be better swimmers.
    In 3.5 they kinda seem like they could mimic the swimming of a manta ray using those same wings. At least to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rose Dragon View Post
    Though at least in 2nd Edition, they could make their wings disappear in order to be better swimmers.
    Shadow dragons can do this, IIRC. Maybe it's just their limbs.


    Were you looking for true dragons or just creatures with the Dragon type? Sand dragons don't have wings, and IIRC fang dragons don't either.

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    Reversed wing template? Yeah yeah I know, CR doesn't work that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prime32 View Post
    Shadow dragons can do this, IIRC. Maybe it's just their limbs.
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    Chinese dragons obviously
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    True dragons without wings or flight, occur in Faerun- the Brown Dragon (Monsters of Faerun) and the Rattleyr (Shining South).

    In Dragon Compendium, the Yellow Dragon has flight, but not wings or wing attacks.

    The pic of the Orange Dragon in the same book looks like it has no wings- but the description doesn't say so, nor does it mention it not having wing attacks.

    Sand dragons (Sandstorm) and fang dragons (Draconomicon) do have wings- but those of the Sand Dragon are more like side fins- very like the Gold Dragon. They still have wing attacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    True dragons without wings or flight, occur in Faerun- the Brown Dragon (Monsters of Faerun) [...]

    Sand dragons (Sandstorm) [...] do have wings
    Looks like I got them confused. I thought the brown dragon was called a sand dragon.


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    Stygian Dragons? The ones that live in the Styx (they have flippers)

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    I thought they could fly though (their flippers look like very tiny wings)

    If not, they might qualify. And if their wings can't be used for wing blows, it might be fair to call them "effectively wingless".

    As I recall, the Brainstealer Dragon from Dragon Magazine also had very tiny wings.
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    If you're playing 2nd edition, the Brown Dragon is actually flightless and I don't think the crystal dragon has wings either. Actually come to think of it, I don't think the cloud dragon or the mist dragon has wings either but I could be wrong and I don't have access to the 2nd edition MM right now.

    Both would be fairly easy to adapt to 3.x or Pathfinder if you can find the stat block for them. The brown dragon burrows into the sand in deserts and sort of competes with the blue dragon for territory. The crystal dragon is one of this sweet crazy psionic ones, and the last two live in clouds and waterfalls/hot spring areas. Brown breathes a line of acid, crystal breathes a spray of crystal shards, cloud dragons breathe a burst of frigid cold with large ice crystals, mist dragons breathe a line of superheated steam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodles2375 View Post
    If you're playing 2nd edition, the Brown Dragon is actually flightless and I don't think the crystal dragon has wings either.
    Confirmed.
    The Brown doesn't fly, The crystal dragon has no wings but it can fly, the same can be said for the cloud dragon and the mist dragon.

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    Were you looking for true dragons or just creatures with the Dragon type? Sand dragons don't have wings, and IIRC fang dragons don't either.
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    There's heaps. I'm just gonna go through the Draconomicon and monster manuals (assuming you're talking about 3.5e):
    Dragon turtle (MM1 p. 88)
    Spiked Felldrake (Drac. p. 160)
    Landwyrms, various (Drac. p. 168)
    Styx dragon (Drac. p. 188)
    Felldrakes (MM2 p. 97)
    Linnorms (MM2 p. 140)
    Dracotaur MM3 p. 42)
    Dragon eel (MM3 p. 44)
    Rage drake (MM3 p. 130)

    Alas, it appears I don't have my MM4. And I'm too lazy to go through the Dragon magazines. I recommend perusing Crystal Keep.

    By the way, the Cloud Dragon has "almost transparent" wings.

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    A Komodo Dragon?


    Just reflavour a monitor lizard

    http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/lizardMonitor.htm


    You don't really need to reflavour much, since a Komodo Dragon is also known as a Komodo Monitor, but you can increase the size, stats and add a breath weapon and such to make it more threatening depending on the level of the party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prime32 View Post
    Shadow dragons can do this, IIRC. Maybe it's just their limbs.


    Were you looking for true dragons or just creatures with the Dragon type? Sand dragons don't have wings, and IIRC fang dragons don't either.
    The Fang Dragon (Draconomicon) and Sand Dragon (Sandstorm) both have wings, though the Fang Dragon lacks a breath weapon and instead has a Con-draining bite. The Brown Dragon (Monsters of Faerun), however, has useless, vestigial wings.

    Linnorms (MM2), the Rage Drake (MM3), and the Landwyrms (Draconomicon) are all wingless. The Spell Eater (Dragon Magic) is a rather unconventional-looking dragon that is also wingless.


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    Dragon 344 has the chole dragon, a tentacled dragon from the Abyss. Dragon 345 has three kinds of sea serpents, which are amphibious true dragons.

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    Thank you guys! Wow, there is alot of them! I wasn't aware of that...
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    Most of the Lung dragons from OA lack wings. One mostly looks like a turtle.

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    While we're on the subject, whats a brown dragon's land speed? I don't have access to it anymore but i need to know if they can out run a horse.

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    Orange from DMC (Dragon Magazine Compendium)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marnath View Post
    While we're on the subject, whats a brown dragon's land speed? I don't have access to it anymore but i need to know if they can out run a horse.
    60 ft, and also 60 ft. burrow. Yes, it would outrun a horse, considering it's likely on sandy terrain.


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    60 ft, and also 60 ft. burrow. Yes, it would outrun a horse, considering it's likely on sandy terrain.
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