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2010-07-25, 01:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Character with the biggest code of conduct ever?
So looking over Exalted feats, Bloodline feats, classes with alignment restrictions, etcetera... I came to wonder how one could make a character with the most intricate ginormous code of conduct ever. So yeah, what build, through use of classes, PrCs, feats, templates and whatever else there is, would have such a massive code of conduct?
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2010-07-25, 01:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Character with the biggest code of conduct ever?
An Exalted Paladin/Knight with all of the Vows would be a pretty good start, with a requirement to be absurdly good, shun all material wealth, and with completely ridiculous restrictions on what he is allowed to do to an opponent (IIRC, for example, Knights are not allowed to offer or take advantage of flanking or strike against a prone opponent.) Plus restrictions against.. whatever the heck it is the less-notable Vows tell you not to do. Drugs (with a definition that incidentally includes monsters poisoning you, I believe) and sex, I think.
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2010-07-25, 01:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Character with the biggest code of conduct ever?
Give him every vow, a level in knight, a level in paladin, the Ordered Chaos feat, a level in paladin of freedom. Can't think of anything else right now.
A cleric level will also give him one god's dogma to follow. Now to find the most complicated dogma in the pantheon.Last edited by Ranos; 2010-07-25 at 01:39 PM.
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2010-07-25, 01:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Character with the biggest code of conduct ever?
I haven't read all the vows but...
Make some personal ones that don't come from classes... :D yay for roleplay
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>Must break all vows once a month to keep them in perspective (the ones with strong wills will come back to their path)I have to give Paizo credit...
They took an established work and said they fixed it but didn't actually fix it and yet still made money off from it.
How can you beat that?
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2010-07-25, 01:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-25, 01:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Character with the biggest code of conduct ever?
Can't do that, knights have to be lawful, and paladins of freedom have to be chaotic good, and ordered chaos doesn't make you chaotic simply not suffer from using chaotic items and taking abyssal heritor feats.
I'd go with everyone else: knight, vows, paladin. Samurai and monk both have some form "do this or lose it" abilities. Wu Jen's taboos would get restrictive as well. Apostle of Peace prohibits even armor. Risen Martyr (instant annihilation for any evil act).
I'm sure there's more but can't think of them off the top of my head.
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2010-07-25, 02:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Risen Martyr is an awesome class... They go out the best way :D
I have to give Paizo credit...
They took an established work and said they fixed it but didn't actually fix it and yet still made money off from it.
How can you beat that?
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2010-07-25, 02:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Character with the biggest code of conduct ever?
Kensai, because nothing says oath like "do what this NPC says".
EDIT: and make that NPC cause code clashes at every turn. (hell, I believe Complete Warrior actually suggests that in the Kensai sidebar. )
EDIT2: If we can use 3.0 sources I think there were even more vows over there, including vow of silence.Last edited by Stompy; 2010-07-25 at 02:36 PM.
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2010-07-25, 02:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Character with the biggest code of conduct ever?
Knight's Code:
- Never use the flanking bonus (you can flank with someone else, the enemy can be flanked, but if you choose to benefit from the +2 to hit, you fall). Amusingly, you could still use Sneak Attack.
- Never attack flat-footed opponent. If your enemy is balancing with less than 5 ranks in Balance, you fall for attacking him.
- Never deal lethal damage to helpless foe. You can keep beating them as long as you want for nonlethal, though.
The only thing monks lose (by becoming non-lawful) is the ability to take more monk levels. Yes, falling as a monk is actually good for you.
[Edit]:Buomman, racial vow of silence.Last edited by Greenish; 2010-07-25 at 02:44 PM.
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2010-07-25, 02:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Character with the biggest code of conduct ever?
Take a level in druid for extra kicks. If you don't mind falling as a paladin/druid.
So:
Buoman Saint Druid 1/Monk 1/Samurai 1/Paladin 1/Knight 1/Wu Gen 1/Kensai 1/Risen Martyr 1
With all of the vows. Missing anything?Last edited by Tinydwarfman; 2010-07-25 at 02:50 PM.
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2010-07-25, 02:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-25, 02:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-25, 03:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-25, 03:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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not really a vow, but if you take cleric with a god of "don't do this or I take away your powers", does that count?
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2010-07-25, 04:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Character with the biggest code of conduct ever?
That's DM adjuncation though - we're going for classes that have explicitly defined mechanical codes of conduct.
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2010-07-25, 04:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Character with the biggest code of conduct ever?
Are you absolutely sure about that ? It says that any effects that are keyed to alignment work as if you were chaotic as well as your own alignment, then it goes on to say in the examples that you could take the Primordial Scion feat despite its chaotic alignment prerequisite. From that, I conclude that effect includes feat prerequisites. And from that, it's not too much of a leap to say that it includes class prerequisites.
So you could take potentially conflicting codes from a lawful class and a chaotic class. Maybe we could even make a character who can't act at all without breaking one of his codes.
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2010-07-25, 04:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Man, by the end of this, the poor dope won't even be able to sneeze freely.
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2010-07-25, 04:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-25, 05:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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If you add this class from a 3rd party developer for Pathfinder, they won't even be able to eat trail rations.
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2010-07-25, 05:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oh, I just remembered Oriental adventures samurai adds obedience to a lord and all the basic samurai things with honor above all. Dishonor means seppuku or disgrace and ronin status.
Shintao monk from the same books forbids the poor guy from eating meat, commiting murder or theft, marrying, causing unecessary violence, gluttony, drunkeness, accumulating wealth, or becoming involved in politics.
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2010-07-25, 05:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Character with the biggest code of conduct ever?
Healer has vows similar to the Druid.
Is there really any point in making a Paladin/Druid or something similar? A Paladin who has taken levels in Druid has already fallen and lost their powers, as has a LG Druid. There isn't a code of conduct anymore if you've already violated it and lost the benefits of the class.
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2010-07-25, 05:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Buomman as a race to have a vow of silence?
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2010-07-25, 05:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-25, 06:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Character with the biggest code of conduct ever?
Perhaps it would be handier to make a list of base classes, PrCs and feats with a code of conduct tied to them?
Race: Buomman.
Classes: Paladin, Druid, Samurai (CW), Healer (MiniHB), Knight (PHBII).
PrCs: Risen Martyr (BoED), Kensai (CW), Knight Protector (CW), Fist of the Forest (CC).
Feats: The "Vow" feats (BoED).
One question: are the Buomman actually capable of speaking, or not? If they are, what happens if they break their vow of silence? Why do they even have one, fluff-wise?Last edited by Morph Bark; 2010-07-26 at 03:44 AM.
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2010-07-25, 06:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Buomman can speak, but they take 1 point of Wisdom damage and -1 on most rolls for 24 hours every time they do. Singing is fine, though.
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2010-07-25, 06:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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