Master Specalist expanded spellbook question..

[Maho-Tsukai]

While I assume that the expanded spellbook class feature of the master specialist lets you only chose from the wizard/sorc list it dose not specificity state that the spell has to be from the wizard/sorc list in complete mage, it just says it has to be from your chosen school. Dose that mean a master specialist could learn spells not from the wiz/sorc list with with expanded spellbook provided they where of their specialized school?

[Jaeger]

I'd never noticed that before, but yes rules as written say you can take any spell that's from your school so I would guess you'd be able to take a spell not on your normal spell list.

[Thrice Dead Cat]

This is covered in the errata, which added a sentence preventing you from grabbing spells from your school not on the wizard list.

[Mongoose87]

This is covered in the errata, which added a sentence preventing you from grabbing spells from your school not on the wizard list.

Rendering it essentially a discount scroll class feature. Whoop-dee-doo. This could've been actually useful.

[Thrice Dead Cat]

Rendering it essentially a discount scroll class feature. Whoop-dee-doo. This could've been actually useful.

It's still free monies. Yeah, it could have been better, but it is still a freebie.

[Eurus]

Yeah, no need to make Master Specialist even better, really. You can always see if your DM will allow you to use it to research a custom spell of your specialty school for free, though. It'd technically be on your spell list.

[BooNL]

It's still free monies. Yeah, it could have been better, but it is still a freebie.

Actually, it's still pretty good. Not every backwards village or kobold's lair has spell scrolls just lying around. Especially not the one's your DM doesn't really want you to find/hasn't thought of himself.

This is basically a way to guarantee yourself that must-have spell.

[faceroll]

Actually, it's still pretty good. Not every backwards village or kobold's lair has spell scrolls just lying around. Especially not the one's your DM doesn't really want you to find/hasn't thought of himself.

This is basically a way to guarantee yourself that must-have spell.

Yeah. Many a low level wizard spends his career leveling in dank pits far from the learned towers of his youth.

[Tyndmyr]

Actually, it's still pretty good. Not every backwards village or kobold's lair has spell scrolls just lying around. Especially not the one's your DM doesn't really want you to find/hasn't thought of himself.

This is basically a way to guarantee yourself that must-have spell.

Eh. Not that significant. Consider, you get two free at each level anyhow. For one feat, you can double that ratio. So, it's worth a tiny fraction of a feat.

I mean, it's a freebie, and sure, I'll take it, but it's not THAT significant.

[faceroll]

Eh. Not that significant. Consider, you get two free at each level anyhow. For one feat, you can double that ratio. So, it's worth a tiny fraction of a feat.

I mean, it's a freebie, and sure, I'll take it, but it's not THAT significant.

You can enter MS at what, level 2? 3? It's not meta-magic effect or anything, but compared to a wizard level? It's pretty pro.

[Tyndmyr]

Level 4 normally, I believe. 3 with basic early entry shenanigans, 2 with dusk giant cheese.

It's not bad, mind you, but you do have to consider if losing the bonus MM feat(or an ACF for it) at level 5 is worthwhile. You get a minor arcana, Skill Focus: Spellcraft, and another spell known in exchange. Plus, you gotta sink a feat into Spell Focus.

It's not horrible, but its not amazing either.

[faceroll]

Level 4 normally, I believe. 3 with basic early entry shenanigans, 2 with dusk giant cheese.

It's not bad, mind you, but you do have to consider if losing the bonus MM feat(or an ACF for it) at level 5 is worthwhile. You get a minor arcana, Skill Focus: Spellcraft, and another spell known in exchange. Plus, you gotta sink a feat into Spell Focus.

It's not horrible, but its not amazing either.

I think MS is a really solid prestige class, especially depending on where you go with it. It gives some nice bennies early on. At level 5, I would rather be casting fly or haste rather than a metamagic'd low level spell, and spell focus/skill focus sets you up for AM and/or Iot7V. And you can always shuffle the feat out for something at a higher level. Once you get access to shuffling, it doesn't really matter what your bonus feat does.