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    What system do you think has the most accurate character generation for real people? I'm inclined to say GURPS, but I've never played rolemaster, and heard that it's pretty good too.

    This is not about general goodness, just what system is the best for approximating real people.

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    FATAL. HA! Bet you didn't expect that!
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    If normal people have orifices larger than their faces, then yes, I suppose FATAL is accurate.

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    White Wolf.

    This thread is full of examples. That some people are said to overestimate their own abilities doesn't change the fact that the system in itself makes it easy to model humans in a versatile and realistic fashion.
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    White Wolf.

    This thread is full of examples. That some people are said to overestimate their own abilities doesn't change the fact that the system in itself makes it easy to model humans in a versatile and realistic fashion.
    I don't think so. The system is good for a game, but with only 5 levels of skills, and way too few of them, it's not nearly in depth enough for real life.

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    Paranoia. Srsly.

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    I've heard people mention it alot, but what is it?
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    define "realistic" character creation.

    is a game with realistic character creation one that has dozens of knobs and fiddly bits to tweak or one that allows you to simply portray a character accurately, and if the second then are we talking about accurately portraying a "real" (as in IRL) person or a "real" (as in, a character that is native to the setting) person?

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    I've been told Shadowrun, but that's purely hearsay.

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    Twilight 2013. Lifepaths, stats that are broad enough and have a wide enough range to be useful, enough skillpoints to actually represent all of an actual person's skills, and good traits and flaws.
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    3rd Edition shadowrun is pretty versatile and capable of modeling real people pretty well. It's definitly the best of the systems I have played in that respect.

    I would love to see an example of that game where you can die in character creation. Not saying it's good for this thread, but it IS awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxybe View Post
    define "realistic" character creation.

    is a game with realistic character creation one that has dozens of knobs and fiddly bits to tweak or one that allows you to simply portray a character accurately, and if the second then are we talking about accurately portraying a "real" (as in IRL) person or a "real" (as in, a character that is native to the setting) person?
    A real person IRL. How well does the system portray you? I'm talking about not only skills and capabilities, but the accuracy of them. For instance, I think GURPS is one of the best at this because it has a huge list of skills, a realistic synergy between similar ones, advantages instead of some poorly defined stats, and even disadvantages. And there are no silly restrictions on how high a skill can be because of level either. Now, personally I find Character Creation in stuff like D&D and exalted a more fun process in and of itself, but I think GURPS is the most accurate and realistic system I've seen.
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    Old-school Traveller. What life gives you is largely random, you get too old before you know it, and you can get killed at any time!

    I think "Realism" in RPGs isn't worth pursuing. "Verisimilitude" _might_ be.
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    I would love to see an example of that game where you can die in character creation. Not saying it's good for this thread, but it IS awesome.
    Traveler is the famous one. You *can* die in character creation in some other systems, but it's usually a lot less likely to happen than in Traveler. For example, in Twilight 2013 you can die in character creation, but unless you're trying to make a 100-year-old Delta Force operative it's extremely unlikely.
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    I fail to see how "No, that guy is too fat to be hurt by your fire" would make sense.

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    If I've learned anything from reading books and watching television, it's that many different people have many different understandings of what a "real" person is.

    The question, as you've asked it, is impossible to answer.
    It always amazes me how often people on forums would rather accuse you of misreading their posts with malice than re-explain their ideas with clarity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitruviansquid View Post
    If I've learned anything from reading books and watching television, it's that many different people have many different understandings of what a "real" person is.

    The question, as you've asked it, is impossible to answer.
    I'm not sure I understand. Take anyone you know. See how accurately you can stat them in your system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinydwarfman View Post
    What system do you think has the most accurate character generation for real people? I'm inclined to say GURPS, but I've never played rolemaster, and heard that it's pretty good too.

    This is not about general goodness, just what system is the best for approximating real people.
    The question is a bit vague - can you specify what you mean by "real people" ? Should they feel real? Have realistic abilities? Have realistic histories? Have realistic explanations for where their skills and abilities come from?

    Do you mean real, as in of the real world, or do you mean sense of verisimilitude?

    Without specifics, I say GURPS, Twilight 2013, Unisystem, Call of Cthulhu, and Cyberpunk 2020, in pretty much that order. And it's really close with GURPS and Twilight 2013 - I'd say GURPS only wins by dint of fiddly bits, and that's only if you value fiddly bits over having explanations for where you learned what you know, since TW2013 has a lifepath system. I love me some lifepath systems. (My Final Year is so going to be Urban Warfare. Damn the rads, I want 2+ equipment dice and Cognition-based skill points!)

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    I've found that the Silhouette System, By Dream Pod 9, is actually pretty accurate. While it does have only 5 levels of skills, each of those skills have 5 levels of complexity as well. So if you have Pilot 3/1, You are really good at a propeller plane, but not very good at all at a jet plane.

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    But TVtropes is not. I just spent two hours on that site because you mentioned it on another thread. You need to stop doing things like that.

    And, FTR, my WIP custom non-d20 game system will model anyone "realistically", from an infant human to the god of all creation, & anything in-between. It's that good.
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    I use creating really people as a sort of benchmarking for the potential of RPG systems due to the complexity and comparative low power of most people.

    Well, Gurps is the best, as usual. Is that any surprise? Hero is probably similar in its options. Unisystem works well, as does the WoD (both original an ripp-of version). Unknown Armies should be mentioned, especially when it comes to the modeling of personalities and psychological stress. Awesome system by the way.

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    What system do you think has the most accurate character generation for real people? I'm inclined to say GURPS, but I've never played rolemaster, and heard that it's pretty good too.

    This is not about general goodness, just what system is the best for approximating real people.
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    What, no vote for MouseGuard here? Or would that be Burning Wheel?
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    But TVtropes is not. I just spent two hours on that site because you mentioned it on another thread. You need to stop doing things like that.
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    Hmm I'm going with MAID is the very most accurate system for representing people.
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    Wuthering Heights. We are all troubled people with rage and despair held in check only by society's crushing grasp. We are plagued with problems that seem arbitrarily selected from a chart. Woe is me, for true happiness is forever out of reach.

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    World of Darkness is one of my favorites, and I've had no problems portraying realistic people. Or at least, I haven't had trouble considering the characters created as realistic. The limit on five ranks in a skill doesn't seem that unreasonable to me, at least until you have someone who has five ranks in nearly everything (but any character system, taken to extremes, becomes unrealistic).

    FUDGE/FATE is pretty good in its simplicity. The GM decides the appropriate stats, decides the level of difficulty, and the player is free to make their character as they see fit. It's also just as easy to make a non-realistic character, though.

    Burning Wheel seems to fit what you are looking for. Character creation is dealt with by Lifepaths, where you follow the character through their life, and the skills they have available from the start are determined by the Lifepaths they take. Skills are leveled up through use, with higher rank skills requiring more challanging situations to gain levels.

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