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    So, anyone who has checked the Free Form Roleplaying subforum recently knows that it is getting a bit... clustered. It's looking rather more like Ongoing Games, OOC, or Recruiting than the place it used to be, given that it has evolved from an area dedicated to a single, massive game to an area that encompasses multiple games of that type.

    I very much like seeing the creativity involved in the various settings and games, but can't help feeling that it's become rather difficult to keep track of. Looking in the forum shows a confusing mess of numerous settings in varying order, and trying to find the game thread you want to post in can be rather annoying.

    Unfortunately, subscription isn't really a good way to keep track of FFRP, due to large volume of threads involved and given the tendency of most games in it to create new threads rapidly (many of are new creations entirely, so you need to keep an eye on the forum even if you are subscribed to most of the threads).

    Now, this is hardly a major issue. Obviously people are still managing to play and post- but from what I've heard, I'm not the only one feeling that it is getting a little crowded and confusing. Initially it was just suggested to place 'tags' on each thread to designate which roleplay they belonged too, but with the glut of games being created, that doesn't really seem to suffice any more.

    So mainly, I wanted to bring this concern up in the hopes that this situation can be resolved, either by a simple suggestion utilizing the current situation and software, or perhaps a more in depth solution involved changes to the board structure.
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    One thing that would help with using subscriptions is using folders. They are a feature in the subscriptions area. Separate each game into its own folder. Then you can check each game individually and keep a semblance of organization.

    As far as the new threads, maybe there needs to be a bit more organization in what goes on with those. Like having a master thread for each game that lists all the approved threads for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shhalahr Windrider View Post
    One thing that would help with using subscriptions is using folders. They are a feature in the subscriptions area. Separate each game into its own folder. Then you can check each game individually and keep a semblance of organization.

    As far as the new threads, maybe there needs to be a bit more organization in what goes on with those. Like having a master thread for each game that lists all the approved threads for it.
    I second this thought. It has been a bit crouded lately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shhalahr Windrider View Post
    As far as the new threads, maybe there needs to be a bit more organization in what goes on with those. Like having a master thread for each game that lists all the approved threads for it.
    There already is a Master Thread for each game that has multiple threads. It's labeled as the OOC Thread. The problem is that there's no "approved" list of threads because threads are freely created.

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    An attempt was made to index the ffrp universes, but it has been like pulling teeth to get people to cooperate. I made it clear that it wasn't an approval process, just an attempt to organize things, but even so, I would guess that I maybe got 30% participation. Once I stopped pestering people to do so, participation dropped to zilch.

    My thoughts are that games that take place in a single IC thread probably belong in Ongoing Games rather than ffrp, even if they are 'freeform' in structure. But the mods have not (to my knowledge) issued any sort of guidance as to what games belong in which subforum.
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    An forum for open-ended and ongoing roleplaying without a DM, where you can play a persona across multiple threads
    That's what's listed as what goes into Free Form RP. Even if it's a single thread, if it's open ended, and an ongoing RP without a DM, it belongs in Free Form and not Organized Games.
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    I can't claim to have kept up with all the universes, but wouldn't the more directed plot of some of them kinda push the line of the whole 'no DM' thing? The line seems kinda blurred to me, as far as that goes. But again, I haven't kept up with 'em, so I can't be sure.
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    Not really. Everyone is a DM. And everyone is a player in these cases. So...they still fit in Free Form RPG and Ongoing games.
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    I don't really see any reason for separating single thread open GM games from single thread one GM games. My understanding is that the Town subforum was separated out because it was putting a large multi-thread roleplay environment in one place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkcomet View Post
    I can't claim to have kept up with all the universes, but wouldn't the more directed plot of some of them kinda push the line of the whole 'no DM' thing? The line seems kinda blurred to me, as far as that goes. But again, I haven't kept up with 'em, so I can't be sure.
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    Not really. Everyone is a DM. And everyone is a player in these cases. So...they still fit in Free Form RPG and Ongoing games.
    I think what DC means is that it's a game with an actual setting, and the rules of it control and guide things. Unlike the Nexus threads where there is no true setting.

    Also, is it possible to get a Mod's opinion of this? Sorry, but I'm a bit curious myself.

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    Sheriff: FFRP has always suffered a bit from lack of organization and thread overload. It has, at times, been viewed as a single universe, but in reality, and its current form especially, it is available for all games that are open-ended, lack a DM, and roleplaying.

    If it doesn't have a DM (even if there is some plot or conflict resolution by consensus), can be joined by anyone at anytime, and is roleplaying, it belongs in FFRP.

    It seems unlikely that we will be imposing any structural requirements or changes. People are welcome to explore tags, indexes, subscriptions, and similar self-help means.
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    I was referencing the 'directed-plot' thing and not the specific setting thing, Wolf. To me, it just sounds like the line between GM and no GM gets kinda blurry there at times.

    Also, on the issue of a directed-plot game and open-endedness...I wouldn't know, but I seem to recall the original incarnation of BleachITP ending? I'm unaware of the reasons for that, of course, but I thought it was worth asking about it. Just wondering if that was just an isolated incident with reasons other than just wanting to end the plotline, since it seems relevant. >.>
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    I think the main problem with Happy's Universe Index is that it's buried on the third post of a thread no one reads that is more-often-than-not on the second page or more. Would it be possible with some mod-fu to make Happy's index (found here) a stickied thread, separate from the FFRP community thread? I'm looking at something similar to the current Fancomics index in that particular sub-forum.
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    I seem to remember that at one time, Alarra had a mod-post in the subforum telling people to use tags. But now people simply don't use them until I poke them to, and sometimes not even then.

    Also, a few weeks ago I sent a request to Roland to update the 'Notable threads' post with fresh links, but nothing ever happened, and I didn't get a response.
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    I didn't receive anything like that. And now I can happily refer such a request to the forum-specific moderator(s).
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    The preliminary community consensus seems to be that a stickied 'FFRP Central' type thread should replace the current stickied threads, incorporating the subforum rules and etiquette. Assuming that remains the consensus, would the guidelines posted and agreed upon fall under the "Disobeying Rules for Section You Are Posting In" section of the rules? For example, would threads posted without tags be reportable offenses?
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    Generally no. They would probably be considered guidelines in the same way as the "rules" of random banter are.

    We do enforce those, but not directly. They basically help stop people running afoul of other rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkcomet View Post
    Also, on the issue of a directed-plot game and open-endedness...I wouldn't know, but I seem to recall the original incarnation of BleachITP ending? I'm unaware of the reasons for that, of course, but I thought it was worth asking about it. Just wondering if that was just an isolated incident with reasons other than just wanting to end the plotline, since it seems relevant. >.>
    The plot ended because the story is ending. I suspect some of the other ITP games will be as such as well, as they have plots and story arcs and the like. But I don't see how that somehow makes them less Free Form...or against

    If it doesn't have a DM (even if there is some plot or conflict resolution by consensus), can be joined by anyone at anytime, and is roleplaying, it belongs in FFRP.
    That. As it stands, those are all it takes to be part of the FFRP forum area, and as far as I know, all of the so dubbed "Animeitp" groups follow those guidelines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland St. Jude View Post
    If it doesn't have a DM (even if there is some plot or conflict resolution by consensus), can be joined by anyone at anytime, and is roleplaying, it belongs in FFRP.
    In that case I must draw attention to this thread, which was (rather inexplicably, IMO) moved to FFRP from Finding Players, despite having DMs, as indicated by these quotes from the thread:

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    2. What 'type' or variant of game will it be (i.e. "Shadow Chasers" or "Agents of Psi" for d20 Modern)? What is the setting for the game (eg. historic period, published or homebrewed campaign setting, alternate reality, modern world, etc.)? Eberron, starting off and set primarily in Sharn. I've seen Eberron played a lot of different ways, but I try to pull out more of the noir feel of the setting.

    3. How many Players are you looking for? Will you be taking alternates, and if so, how many? I want a group of 5, so we'll say 5 and 2 alternates.

    4. What's the gaming medium (OOTS, chat, e-mail etc.)? GiTP Forums.

    5. What is the characters' starting status (i.e. experience level)? Level 5.

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    9. By what method should Players generate their attributes/ability scores and Hit Points? 32 point buy.

    10. Does your game use alignment? What are your restrictions, if so? I take a muddied view of alignments, as fits the campaign setting. However, please keep in mind that you are all affiliated with the Sharnian Unit of Investigative Tactics. While you can be a dirty cop, it's mighty hard to be an unbridled chaotic evil kill-everything cop.

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    3. What's your character's biggest secret, fear, or regret?
    4. Who is one contact your character has in Sharn, and what's your history with them?

    15. Does your game involve a lot of hack & slash, puzzle solving, roleplaying, or a combination of the above? Primarily roleplaying, some combat here and there, depending on your tactics. I may sprinkle in some puzzles along the way, but they won't be the focus.

    16. Are your Players restricted to particular rulebooks and supplements, or will you be allowing access to non-standard material? What sources can Players use for their characters? Please, don't use any setting-specific books from other settings.

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    Yes, this thread, which the PbP'ers complained about when it was started there, too, because it's not looking for players of "a" game, but for guild members who will play "games".

    While posters in this thread will be playing in games that have DM's, the games themselves will not be played in this thread as I understand it, and it is open to anyone to join. This puts this concept somewhere in between PbP and FFRP.

    This thread, in my view, is more for the free form roleplay of participants as guild members between/outside of games (note the discussion of attaining higher guild rank by "killing" higher ranking members and that the actual game threads are still over in PbP). Thus the decision was made.
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    But it has a system. Dice rolls and stuff. The roleplay may be freeform, but roleplay in most systems is freeform.

    It may be somewhere in between one subforum and another, but shouldn't the fact that it has a system be the overriding factor in deciding to move it out of a subforum with "freeform" in its title? Even the part about attaining higher guild rank by "killing" higher ranking members is way more of a system than we've ever had in ffrp.
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    Reading through the thread, it looks like more of a recruitment/OOC thread than an IC RP thread, for now at least.
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    Also, since it uses dice rolls... the roller doesn't work in SMBG, I think?
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    What DC said! It's just their recruitment and OOC thread. They aren't roleplaying in it. And they're talking about point buys and levels and ranks.

    Freeform doesn't have those crunchy things! It scares me! *hides under Magtok's box*
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    But it has a system. Dice rolls and stuff. The roleplay may be freeform, but roleplay in most systems is freeform.
    There are no dice rolls in this thread and certainly none that affect the happenings there.

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    It may be somewhere in between one subforum and another, but shouldn't the fact that it has a system be the overriding factor in deciding to move it out of a subforum with "freeform" in its title? Even the part about attaining higher guild rank by "killing" higher ranking members is way more of a system than we've ever had in ffrp.
    There is no codified mechanic. Freeform. "Has never happened" is not "can never happen".

    Look, it's an original (for here) concept. Perhaps, instead of ostracizing the idea for its lack of conformity to preconceived notions about what it may or may not turn into, we should give the idea a chance to work and see what happens with it.

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    Hopefully they won't decide to run a D20 Modern game in which they're a bunch of ordinary people who log onto a forum in order to roleplay in a sort of 'Guild' which plays DnD games. That would be really confusing.

    @V: That depends on whether they're running the campaign within the Guild thread itself, or making a new thread in the PbP area.
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    Umm, might I say something here? I believe this post here in the guild thread shows pretty specifically that it isn't freeform roleplaying. I mean there using actual specific systems. Doesn't that mean it should go not in the FFRP but in the Finding Players/Recruitment/OOC threads?

    Even if they aren't just doing one game and they use multiple systems it isn't freeform. Freeform has no system.
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    If that post instead said ...

    Okay, guildies, here's the first game we're going to play. It's 5 Card Draw.

    We're not going to have anything wild and the ante is 15 gil.

    Who's in this round?
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    Omg are you sure we cant 4d6b3 or 5d6b3 no rerolls, i dislike the point buy systeme
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    An original concept it may be, but it does not look like freeform. And it doesn't look like roleplay either. It looks like a pbp recruitment thread. Which is probably why the originator of the idea started it there. The only difference seems to be that it's a single recruitment thread for multiple games.

    I have nothing against the idea, and wish the players success, but they are more likely to have that success if they are recruiting among people who enjoy their games with systems and rules rather than among people from the other end of the spectrum.
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    Default Re: All the Crazy Games

    Not at all, Zeb, because your hypothetical post is pretty plainly written in-character, or as it is sometimes abbreviated, IC. The post actually referenced is written out-of-character, or OOC. In fact, the whole thread is written out-of-character. Nobody in the thread under discussion is posting as a character separate from their actual identity as a GitP poster. They are posting as themselves, discussing a D&D3.5 game which they are creating characters for. It has a slightly unusual way of going about it, but that is the purpose of the thread, and given that fact, it seems far more appropriate, both to those of us who are raising this issue and those who created the thread in the Finding Players forum in the first place, that that is where it belongs.
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