3.5 Cheating?

[PrismaticPIA]

Anyone know easy ways to cheat into a prestige class requiring you to be of a certain caster level?

[EvilJoe15]

If you have the HD, Practiced Spellcaster. If not, I've used Reserve Feats.

[The New Bruceski]

Sloppy handwriting, make it as difficult for the DM to notice as possible. A character Sheet in pencil with lots of erase marks helps.

[Thrice Dead Cat]

Admittedly, it's not cheating, but with a bard singing Inspire Greatness and Psychic Reformation, you can bypass skill requirements in excess of your level's max ranks+4. Two feats from Cityscape can change that to +5.

Couple the above with Practiced Spellcaster to help with CL minimums. Jacob's Ladder can net you real 3rd level spells and effective 4th level spells at 1st level with certain classes. Maybe even 5th with Versatile Spellcaster and Heighten Spell.

BAB minimums can be beaten with a Kensai donating his BAB temporarily to another character.

There are probably more.

[RandomLunatic]

Precocious Apprentice gets you 2nd-level Arcane spells.

[PrismaticPIA]

Looking to bypass an arcane CL 5 restriction by level 4 or lower.

[HunterOfJello]

The more common ones I see on the board are Precocious Apprentice and Versatile Spellcaster.


Precocious Apprentice is definitely a valid feat for prestige classes that say "must be able to cast a 2nd level spell", but perhaps not for prc that require "must be able to cast 2nd level spells".

Versatile Spellcaster can't help you cast a spell that isn't on your spell list, and to cast a spell, it must be on your spell list. However, there are many feats that allow you to put more spells onto your spell list. If you took one of those many Sorcerer bloodline feats or something similar, then you could possibly cast a spell of a higher level by using Versatile Spellcaster. (I don't know how valid this method is, only that I've seen examples on these boards where people attempted this method.)

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whoops, misunderstood the question.


Easiest way to get a boost in caster level is to take a level of cleric and grab two domains that boost your caster level in a certain school of magic. I don't think that would be valid for your purpose though.

[Andion Isurand]

Naja Fountain @ level 2... if you can get there.

[HunterOfJello]

found this other thread in another thread

http://community.wizards.com/go/thre...g_Caster_Level

[Mystic Muse]

I suggest you change the title of the thread. I believe that in order to cheat you ahve to break both the spirit and letter of the rules.

[Keld Denar]

Earth Spell will get you a CL of 5 by level 4. Take a 0th level spell, Heighten it 2 levels to a level 2 spell, and it'll have a CL of 6 at level 4.

Requires 3 feats though (Earth Sense, Earth Spell both in Races of Stone, and Heighten Spell).

[Sliver]

If you need to be able to cast spells of certain level instead of a certain caster level, heighten spell + DMM can get you the ability to cast 9th level spells at first level if you have enough turn attempts. This trick was used in the Neverening Dungeon to get reserve feats with good power, resulting in infinite elemental summons of higher level and 9d6 at will damage. The trick was banned in the NED, of course.

[Psyx]

"Precocious Apprentice gets you 2nd-level Arcane spells."

Nah: It gets you A second level spell, by RAW. So RAW, you fail to qualify for classes requiring second level spellS.

[Kurald Galain]

Hosting your own version of d20srd on localhost, and editing the files to change the prerequisite?

[Tyndmyr]

Er...I think it would be easier if the OP told us exactly what he was trying to do. Like, what class he's going for.

[Thrice Dead Cat]

"Precocious Apprentice gets you 2nd-level Arcane spells."

Nah: It gets you A second level spell, by RAW. So RAW, you fail to qualify for classes requiring second level spellS.

Luckily Focused Specialist whacks that upside the head and gives you genuine second level spells.

[TooManyBadgers]

PlzBreakMyCampaign wrote a handbook on the subject.

[true_shinken]

Admittedly, it's not cheating

Yes, it is. You know it. Face it.

[Thefurmonger]

"Precocious Apprentice gets you 2nd-level Arcane spells."

Nah: It gets you A second level spell, by RAW. So RAW, you fail to qualify for classes requiring second level spellS.

Let's not reopen this can of worms please.

[PrismaticPIA]

There idea is to fit a level of Mindbender into a 5 level build so I can come to the roleplay-heavy table with Mindsight; without having to jump through in-game hoops to get.

[Stompy]

Yes, it is. You know it. Face it.

Nah, it's just taking a system and beating it to death with its own rules. In this case he whacks the system hard enough to make candy come out.

[Mystic Muse]

Yes, it is. You know it. Face it.

He may be breaking the spirit (I don't know. He hasn't elaborated on why he's doing this) But he's not breaking the letter, therefore I'm pretty sure he isn't cheating.

[true_shinken]

Nah, it's just taking a system and beating it to death with its own rules. In this case he whacks the system hard enough to make candy come out.

...and when do this in a gaming table, it is indeed cheating.

[Thiyr]

Here is a question to determine the answer of if this is cheating. Is PIA trying to hide that he is doing this from the DM/players, or is he going to tell them and get approval before going ahead and doing it. If he doesn't inform them, he is in fact cheating, and if he is going to tell them, it is not, as per the OED definition of "cheat" (act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage). If he is open about his intent and methods to everyone involved, there is no dishonesty or lack of fairness (As the option is open to everyone else, presuming they wish to use it). This also opens up the advantage to the DM, who is now aware of such tricks and can potentially use them against the party.

tl;dr: It's not necesarially cheating.

[Flickerdart]

There idea is to fit a level of Mindbender into a 5 level build so I can come to the roleplay-heavy table with Mindsight; without having to jump through in-game hoops to get.

Unless you're getting it as a bonus feat at 5th? You have to wait until level 6 anyway. You pick feats after classes, so you qualify.

[The Glyphstone]

Or unless he's trying to qualify for Mindbender by level 3, so he can take it as his 3rd level feat.

[Mystic Muse]

Is it mind or life sight that's considered ythe best "Sight" ability in the game?

[EvilJoe15]

It's Mind, Life can be bypassed by undead. Not so with Mindsight. The only way around that is to not have an Int score.

[Tael]

...and when do this in a gaming table, it is indeed cheating.

Uh, how? If your group is high optimization, this may even be par for the course.

[PrismaticPIA]

I do have DM approval for this. I am not hiding, or trying to be sneaky or deceptive in any way. I',m simply looking for shortcuts.