Support the GITP forums on Patreon
Help support GITP's forums (and ongoing server maintenance) via Patreon
Results 1 to 9 of 9
  1. - Top - End - #1
    Dwarf in the Playground
    Join Date
    Feb 2009

    Default 3.5 Best way to optimize Bluff and Diplomacy?

    In a 5-level build?

  2. - Top - End - #2
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Thurbane's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Terra Australis
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: 3.5 Best way to optimize Bluff and Diplomacy?

    2 off the top of my head:

    Binder 1: Bind Naberious (take 10 on social skill checks).

    1/2 Elf feat: allows re-roll of social skill checks.

  3. - Top - End - #3
    Ogre in the Playground
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Midwest, not Middle East
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: 3.5 Best way to optimize Bluff and Diplomacy?

    A level of warlock is sweet for the invocation that helps here: Beguiling Influence for a +6.

    A level of bard for the half-elf substitution stuff is nice.

    A level of marshal for motivate Cha to double your Cha bonus is good.

    The other two levels I"m not sure of.

  4. - Top - End - #4
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    PId6's Avatar

    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Elemental Plane of Paper
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: 3.5 Best way to optimize Bluff and Diplomacy?

    Venerable Half-Elf Cloistered Cleric 1/Marshal 1/Warlock 1/Binder 1/Incarnate 1

    Ability: 18 Cha + 3 Age + 1 Level + 2 Enhancement = 24 Cha
    Flaws: Noncombatant, Murky-Eyed
    Traits: Illiterate (Bluff), Polite
    Skills: Bluff 8, Diplomacy 8, Knowledge (Royalty) 5, Sense Motive 5, 2 ranks in Literacy, rest in every Speak Language ever
    Feats: Sacred Vow [BoED], Nymph's Kiss [BoED], Complementary Insight [RoD], Skill Focus (Diplomacy) [Bonus], Skill Focus (Bluff)
    Stuff: Community Domain [SpC], Trickery Domain, Knowledge Domain, Motivate Charisma aura [MH], Beguiling Influence invocation [CA], Silvertongue Mask soulmeld [MoI], Naberius vestige [ToM]
    Items: Circlet of Persuasion [4,500 gp], Cloak of Charisma +2 [4,000], Masterwork Tools of Bluff [50 gp], Masterwork Tools of Diplomacy [50 gp]

    Bluff:
    8 ranks
    +7 Charisma
    +7 Motivate Charisma
    +4 insight Silvertongue Mask
    +2 circumstance Nymph's Kiss
    +3 Skill Focus
    +6 Beguiling Influence
    +1 Illiterate
    +3 competence Circlet of Persuasion
    +2 circumstance Masterwork Tools
    Able to take 10 (Naberius)
    = 53

    Diplomacy:
    8 ranks
    +7 Charisma
    +7 Motivate Charisma
    +9 synergy (Complementary Insight)
    +4 insight (Silvertongue Mask)
    +2 racial
    +3 Skill Focus
    +2 Community Domain
    +2 circumstance Nymph's Kiss
    +6 Beguiling Influence
    +1 Polite
    +2 perfection Sacred Vow
    +3 competence Circlet of Persuasion
    +2 circumstance Masterwork Tools
    Able to take 10 and use as standard action without penalty (Naberius)
    = 68
    Last edited by PId6; 2010-08-24 at 09:57 PM.
    Rogue Handbook | Warmage Rebuild | Diablo's Assassin | Revised Classes
    Potpourri Creation Contest II Winner: Desert Martial Adept Substitution Levels
    Potpourri Creation Contest III Best Characterization: Edward the Sly's Lucky Spells
    Prestige Class Contest XXI Submission: Child of the Seelie Court

  5. - Top - End - #5
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    gbprime's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Suburban Dystopia
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: 3.5 Best way to optimize Bluff and Diplomacy?

    Yeah, I was gonna add something to the thread, but it looks well covered.
    .
    Ding, You've Got Trophies!
    Spoiler
    Show

    Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone you may still exist but you have ceased to live. - Samuel Clemens

    Oh, and DFTBA.

  6. - Top - End - #6
    Dwarf in the Playground
    Join Date
    Feb 2009

    Default Re: 3.5 Best way to optimize Bluff and Diplomacy?

    That's disgusting, I approve ^.^

    Additional restrictions: No ToM, no flaws, starting gold is 7K, and it would be handy if the build could be "somewhat" useful in combat.

    How on earth did you get that many feats?
    Last edited by PrismaticPIA; 2010-08-24 at 10:01 PM.

  7. - Top - End - #7
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    PId6's Avatar

    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Elemental Plane of Paper
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: 3.5 Best way to optimize Bluff and Diplomacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrismaticPIA View Post
    How on earth did you get that many feats?
    Two from flaws, two normally, and one bonus feat from Marshal 1.

    Quote Originally Posted by PrismaticPIA View Post
    Additional restrictions: No ToM, no flaws, starting gold is 7K, and it would be handy if the build could be "somewhat" useful in combat.
    That's a bit annoying. Binder's abilities are kinda irreplaceable here (take 10 on Bluff/Diplomacy, standard action Diplomacize), though Half-Elf bard may work as sorta a replacement. Changeling rogue 1 covers the taking 10, though you'll still take penalty for rushed Diplomacies (and the bonus gets a bit lower).

    "Somewhat" useful in combat is the hardest part. Let's see...

    Middle-Aged Changeling Rogue 3 (with RoE sub level)/Warlock 1/Marshal 1

    Ability: Con >= 13, 18 Cha + 1 Age + 1 Level = 20 Cha
    Traits: Illiterate (Bluff), Polite
    Skills: Bluff 8, Diplomacy 8, Knowledge (Royalty) 5, Sense Motive 5, 2 ranks in Literacy, rest in whatever
    Feats: Nymph's Kiss [BoED], Shape Soulmeld (Silvertongue Mask) [MoI], Skill Focus (Diplomacy) [Bonus]
    Stuff: Eldritch Blast 1d6, Sneak Attack 2d6, Death's Ruin [CC Rogue 3 ACF], Motivate Charisma aura [MH], Beguiling Influence invocation [CA], Silvertongue Mask soulmeld [MoI]
    Items: Circlet of Persuasion [4,500 gp], Masterwork Tools of Bluff [50 gp], Masterwork Tools of Diplomacy [50 gp], 2,400 gp remaining

    Bluff:
    8 ranks
    +5 Charisma
    +5 Motivate Charisma
    +2 insight Silvertongue Mask
    +2 circumstance Nymph's Kiss
    +2 racial
    +6 Beguiling Influence
    +1 Illiterate
    +3 competence Circlet of Persuasion
    +2 circumstance Masterwork Tools
    Able to take 10 (Changeling Rogue 1)
    = 46

    Diplomacy:
    8 ranks
    +5 Charisma
    +5 Motivate Charisma
    +6 synergy
    +2 insight (Silvertongue Mask)
    +3 Skill Focus
    +2 circumstance Nymph's Kiss
    +6 Beguiling Influence
    +1 Polite
    +3 competence Circlet of Persuasion
    +2 circumstance Masterwork Tools
    Able to take 10 (Changeling Rogue 1)
    = 53

    Combat:

    Blast people with your Eldritch Blast along with 2d6 Sneak Attack. Your base attack bonus sucks (without fractional BAB), but it's a touch attack, so it shouldn't be too bad. Your UMD should be pretty good too, so you can always rely on that.
    Last edited by PId6; 2010-08-24 at 10:22 PM.
    Rogue Handbook | Warmage Rebuild | Diablo's Assassin | Revised Classes
    Potpourri Creation Contest II Winner: Desert Martial Adept Substitution Levels
    Potpourri Creation Contest III Best Characterization: Edward the Sly's Lucky Spells
    Prestige Class Contest XXI Submission: Child of the Seelie Court

  8. - Top - End - #8
    Dwarf in the Playground
    Join Date
    Feb 2009

    Default Re: 3.5 Best way to optimize Bluff and Diplomacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by PId6 View Post
    Venerable Half-Elf Cloistered Cleric 1/Marshal 1/Warlock 1/Binder 1/Incarnate 1

    Ability: 18 Cha + 3 Age + 1 Level + 2 Enhancement = 24 Cha
    Flaws: Noncombatant, Murky-Eyed
    Traits: Illiterate (Bluff), Polite
    Skills: Bluff 8, Diplomacy 8, Knowledge (Royalty) 5, Sense Motive 5, 2 ranks in Literacy, rest in every Speak Language ever
    Feats: Sacred Vow [BoED], Nymph's Kiss [BoED], Complementary Insight [RoD], Skill Focus (Diplomacy) [Bonus], Skill Focus (Bluff)
    Stuff: Community Domain [SpC], Trickery Domain, Knowledge Domain, Motivate Charisma aura [MH], Beguiling Influence invocation [CA], Silvertongue Mask soulmeld [MoI], Naberius vestige [ToM]
    Items: Circlet of Persuasion [4,500 gp], Cloak of Charisma +2 [4,000], Masterwork Tools of Bluff [50 gp], Masterwork Tools of Diplomacy [50 gp]

    Bluff:
    8 ranks
    +7 Charisma
    +7 Motivate Charisma
    +4 insight Silvertongue Mask
    +2 circumstance Nymph's Kiss
    +3 Skill Focus
    +6 Beguiling Influence
    +1 Illiterate
    +3 competence Circlet of Persuasion
    +2 circumstance Masterwork Tools
    Able to take 10 (Naberius)
    = 53

    Diplomacy:
    8 ranks
    +7 Charisma
    +7 Motivate Charisma
    +9 synergy (Complementary Insight)
    +4 insight (Silvertongue Mask)
    +2 racial
    +3 Skill Focus
    +2 Community Domain
    +2 circumstance Nymph's Kiss
    +6 Beguiling Influence
    +1 Polite
    +2 perfection Sacred Vow
    +3 competence Circlet of Persuasion
    +2 circumstance Masterwork Tools
    Able to take 10 and use as standard action without penalty (Naberius)
    = 68
    Out of curiosity, what would a twenty-level layout look like for this guy? Assuming no restrictions?

  9. - Top - End - #9
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    PId6's Avatar

    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Elemental Plane of Paper
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: 3.5 Best way to optimize Bluff and Diplomacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrismaticPIA View Post
    Out of curiosity, what would a twenty-level layout look like for this guy? Assuming no restrictions?
    Diplomancy really gets pointless past maybe level 8-ish, since by that point your Diplomacy score is just High Enough. I'd probably dip more classes for skill boosts (Totemist for Lamia's Belt and more essentia, Bard for the half-elf substitution levels, Exemplar for the competence boost, and similar until eventually just take things for the 1 rank per level). Feats would just be things that give +3 or +2, such as Vow of Nonviolence -> Vow of Peace, Persuasive, Negotiator, and probably others if you take the time to dig them out. Past a certain point, it no longer matters what you take.
    Rogue Handbook | Warmage Rebuild | Diablo's Assassin | Revised Classes
    Potpourri Creation Contest II Winner: Desert Martial Adept Substitution Levels
    Potpourri Creation Contest III Best Characterization: Edward the Sly's Lucky Spells
    Prestige Class Contest XXI Submission: Child of the Seelie Court

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •