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Thread: LA for Topiary Guardian?
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2010-09-02, 07:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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LA for Topiary Guardian?
My DM might let me take a Topiary Guardian as a cohort/wild cohort, if I can get a general consensus on a level adjustment for it? I'm talking about the template, not the specific examples, from MM3. Any good guestimates of your own? I tried using the Savage Species advice but got nowhere.
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2010-09-02, 07:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LA for Topiary Guardian?
Cohort or Wild Cohort, it makes a fairly big difference. Cohort runs off of ECL. Wild Cohort runs off of Animal Companion (with an additional -3 tacked on) which in itself runs off of CR.
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2010-09-02, 08:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LA for Topiary Guardian?
Just looking for the standard LA change for this template. So, if I apply it to a Pegasus (for example), which is ECL 6 (4HD +2LA), what should the final ECL be, approximately?
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2010-09-02, 08:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LA for Topiary Guardian?
The problem is that it ignores so much of the base creatures statistics, including HD (it does leave Nat armor).
Being a plant is worth +1 LA.
DR that isn't penetrated by magic is worth +2 in theory (in practice slashing is so very common though)
Tremorsense is +1 LA
The ability scores are +1 LA.
Freeze might be +1 LA
Losing all its feats and Fire Vulnerability really hurt though.
How much is gained and how much is loss varies from creature to creature. If I absolutely had to say I'd say replace the RHD, add 2 to the LA, or 1 if the creature had flight; add more if it loses RHD by having them reduced to the amount the template sets it at. But really this is a really rough estimate of the LA it ought to have and not liable to be accurate.Peanut Half-Dragon Necromancer by Kurien.
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2011-09-21, 09:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LA for Topiary Guardian?
Wait, what? Who was asking what topiary was?
As far as an LA, I don't think that an LA can exist for templates that make a creature mindless. Weaker creatures become more powerful while more powerful creatures can become much weaker.
If your DM allowed you to have an awakened topiary guardian, however, I'd say that the LA is around +3.I'm try not to be too vain but this was too perfect not to sig.
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2011-09-21, 10:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-22, 07:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LA for Topiary Guardian?
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Please, please, please when using non-core material, cite to the books. There are too many books to wade through to find the one with the feat, special ability or spell you use.
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