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    Default Rules for playing a human little person?[3.5]

    Are there any rules in 3.5 for playing a human who is in the small size category because of medical dwarfism, but is human in all other ways?
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    Default Re: Rules for playing a human little person?[3.5]

    use Strongheart Halfling?

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    Default Re: Rules for playing a human little person?[3.5]

    I have encountered such a character as an NPC, but I know of, though that says little, of any official rules.
    Human stats, but small rather then medium sounds fair.
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    Default Re: Rules for playing a human little person?[3.5]

    Reduce size by one category, reduce speed by 33% and take a -2 penalty to STR. That should work for any race.

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    Reduce size by one category, reduce speed by 33% and take a -2 penalty to STR. That should work for any race.
    Sounds rather flawed to me!
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    Default Re: Rules for playing a human little person?[3.5]

    DMG2 had a big list of traits for PCs and NPCs (with level adjustments) but I'm not sure if Small was among them.

    Maybe just apply the basic template from Pathfinder SRD that reduces a creature's size? (I think it was called Young, but it could be refluffed).
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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Bark View Post
    Sounds rather flawed to me!
    You mean apart from the AC and Hide Bonus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    DMG2 had a big list of traits for PCs and NPCs (with level adjustments) but I'm not sure if Small was among them.

    Maybe just apply the basic template from Pathfinder SRD that reduces a creature's size? (I think it was called Young, but it could be refluffed).
    I was thinking that too, but it increases dex. A lot of the conditions that that make little people result in all sorts of joint trouble. Not exactly the squirmy energy of youth. You COULD refluff it, just wouldn't feel right, IMO.
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    Default Re: Rules for playing a human little person?[3.5]

    You could apply the reverse of the stat modifiers for increasing size from Small to Medium. Found here.
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    You could apply the reverse of the stat modifiers for increasing size from Small to Medium. Found here.
    so -4 str, +2 dex, -2 con, and +1 AC/attack?

    using monster advancement rules for player characters is usually a bad idea.
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    use Strongheart Halfling?
    This is probably the easiest solution, if not the most accurate.

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    Default Re: Rules for playing a human little person?[3.5]

    +1 to strongheart halfling. I suppose you could take out the minor skill bonuses and give the character the human bonus to skills instead.
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    I'll also go with the Strongheart Halfling. Seems quite a good solution.

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    Default Re: Rules for playing a human little person?[3.5]

    Do you even really need rules? Unless your abilities are waay outside the norm, it doesn't seem to really matter.

    If you do need rules, call it +2 dex, -2 str, and give the rest of the normal human abilities (feats/etc.)

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    Default Re: Rules for playing a human little person?[3.5]

    Well, it's clear that someone with dwarfism wouldn't have a bonus to Dexterity. They'd have a penalty. But I'd go with the Size difference penalties as well. Perhaps

    -4 Str, -2 Dex, -2 Con, along with a negative level adjustment?

    -1 level adjustment and a bonus feat as a flaw?
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    Default Re: Rules for playing a human little person?[3.5]

    Negative level adjustment never balances.

    Honestly -2 Str, -10-ft movement, and Small size might actually balance for a caster.
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    Default Re: Rules for playing a human little person?[3.5]

    Heh. I very nearly had to deal with this for my DMPC - an elf'd dwarf, asked as a boon from a god of Chaos to become a dwarf again, was instead turned into a human with dwarfism. Luckily for her, another character asked, as her boon, for mine to be actually a dwarf. So now as long as she holds this figurine of an angel, she'll be a proper, sideburned, sturdy dwarf.

    For playability, strongheart halfling and/or just applying the changes from medium to small would work. For realism, I would probably say -2 Str, -2 Con*, and the usual changes for small size (speed, AC, especially carrying capacity, etc.). Equipment sizing might be an issue. I would probably also, as DM, allow this to count as a flaw to grant an extra feat.

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