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    Default Warrior, Thief, Priest, Mage...

    As a thought experiment, how would you create these 4 types of characters for a 4 character party? Use gestalt and any WoTC 3.5 source.

    My thoughts -

    Warrior - Warblade//Psychic Warrior w/ Soulbound Weapon ACF

    Thief - Factotum//Artificer

    Mage - Wizard//Binder

    Priest - Favored Soul//Crusader


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    Default Re: Warrior, Thief, Priest, Mage...

    Warblade//Psywar? Psywar is Wis dependent, Warblade is somewhate Int dependent, gestalting would make it a tad MAD. Swordsage//Psywar would be less mad, because Swordsages benefit from a solid Wis.

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    Default Re: Warrior, Thief, Priest, Mage...

    Hmmm, I'd say...

    Warrior- Lion Spirit Totem Barbarian//Totemist
    Priest- Druid//Unarmed Swordsage
    Mage- Sorcerer//Dragonfire Adept
    Thief- Beguiler//Factotum

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    Default Re: Warrior, Thief, Priest, Mage...

    The thing with gestalt is that there's no reason to restrict yourself to one archetype. It's quite easy for your "Mage" to double as skillmonkey (Wizard/Factotum), and most "Warriors" should probably be gishes in mid-high op games. If you're just going for being great at a particular archetype, however, I'd imagine something like this:

    Warrior - Warblade//Psion - Int synergy. Uses powers to buff oneself and increase action economy. Expanded Knowledge for good PsyWar powers like Expansion, then beatstick and profit.

    Thief - Artificer//Factotum - Awesome Int synergy. Factotum covers skills and action abuse while artificer makes items for the party and uses utility wands/scrolls where needed. Does everything.

    Mage/Priest - Wizard//Archivist - More Int synergy. Knows a ridiculous number of spells and batmans everything possible. Sticks to battlefield control and utility spells for wizard side, and buffs and useful divine spells on the archivist side.

    That fulfills all four roles, so fourth can be nearly anything. I'd go with either one of these:

    Boomstick - Sorcerer//Dip Happy - Cha synergy to the Nth power. Dip paladin 2 for Divine Grace. Dip cloistered cleric for Turn Undead and domains. Dip crusader for lots of maneuvers and stances. Can be either a gish or a blaster, or both, depending on spells selected. Favored soul kinda works in place of sorcerer for gishes, while wilder can substitute for blaster-types, but sorcerer's just so much classier than both.

    Gatling Gun - Cloistered Cleric//Dip Happy - Cleric archer for good ranged support with a secondary capacity for buffing the party. Dip barbarian for Whirling Frenzy, dip swordsage for maneuvers/stances, dip monk for AC bonus and bonus feats, and dip fighter/ranger/psychic warrior for bonus feats. Try to get all the archer feats via bonus feats so that regular feats can all be spent on Extra Turnings or metamagic. Can also take ardent levels for Wis-synergy and good powers.
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    Default Re: Warrior, Thief, Priest, Mage...

    Warrior: Time to geek out on Tome of Battle.

    Warblade 20 // Swordsage 2 / Fighter 2 / Rogue 2 / Barbarian 2 / Psychic Warrior 2 / Crusader 2 / Uncanny Trickster 3 / Master of Nine 5.

    With the Feat variant for the Rogue levels and the Whirling Frenzy, Lion Spirit Totem, and Wolf Totem variants for the Barbarian levels.

    Thief: Way too many choices here. I'll go with the swashbuckling type this time, I guess ...

    Beguiler 19 / Mindbender 1 // Rogue 2 / Factotum 3 / Swashbuckler 3 / Swordsage 2 / Uncanny Trickster 3 / Warblade 7

    Mage: What flavor of mage are we talking, here? The scholarly type?

    Factotum 20 // (homebrew-fixed) Truenamer 20

    or the flashy blasty type?

    Dragonfire Adept 20 // Totemist 20

    or the creepy type?

    Warlock 17 / Hellfire Warlock 3 // Binder 20

    Priest

    Ardent 15 / Sangehirn 5 // Crusader 20
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    Default Re: Warrior, Thief, Priest, Mage...

    I'd try to get all of the gestalts at around the same tier. Choose a tier:

    Warrior:
    Tier 1:
    Druid//Psychic Warrior or Druid//Swordsage

    Tier 2:
    Warblade//Factotum

    Tier 3:
    Swashbuckler//Duskblade

    Tier 4+:
    Paladin//Knight

    Healer:
    Tier 1:
    Cleric//Incarnate or Druid//Totemist

    Tier 2:
    Favored Soul//Sorceror

    Tier 3:
    Dragon Shaman//Incarnate

    Tier 4+:
    Healer//Crusader


    Mage:
    Tier 1:
    Focused Specialst Conjurer/Master Specialist//Archivist

    Tier 2:
    Sorceror//Favored Soul

    Tier 3:
    Binder//Warlock

    Tier 4+:
    Dragonfire Adept//Soulborn

    Thief:
    Tier 1:
    Artificer//Factotum

    Tier 2:
    Incarnate//Factotum

    Tier 3:
    Beguiler//Warblade

    Tier 4+:
    Rogue//Hexblade

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