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2010-09-15, 10:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Horizon Walker: Wow, Just Wow
So I was flipping through the SRD today and I saw the Horizon Walker, a class that seems only marginally playable.
Which, of course, makes me want to play one.
The abilities seem nice, in a "I was having a rough day and couldn't think of anything else" sort of way, right up until the Planar Terrain Mastery. These abilities actually seem useful, but I wonder If they are only restricted to when the character is operating on that plane.
For example, does a person with Shifting Planar Mastery get to use dimension door on any plane, or only on shifting planes?
I know prestige classes don't translate well to the tier system, but if you had to rank this class, where would you place it?
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2010-09-15, 10:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Horizon Walker: Wow, Just Wow
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107618
The class is used in some of the Core Only builds and yes, the terrain mastery can be used in any plane.
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2010-09-15, 10:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's actually not a terrible class.. it makes a nice segue for rangers, I find, who easily qualify, and since those iterative TWF attacks aren't that great, they can spread out a little in terms of abilities.
As to the planar masteries - they get those always. So things like Planar Mastery does indeed let you dimdoor on any plane. The fiery/cold/whatever give you permanent resistance. Aligned gives you immunity to Blasphemy and the like, because of the "spells and abilities that harm those of the opposite alignment don't affect you".
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2010-09-15, 11:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-15, 11:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Horizon Walker: Wow, Just Wow
Nope. It's always available.
Originally Posted by SRD
Also, don't count out the non-planar terrains just yet. Desert is easy immunity to fatigue. Underground gives you (more) darkvision. The others are... okay. (A pity that they're typed, though. Competence bonus rules out a lot of other sources of skill boosts, and while insight bonuses aren't as common, +1 is going to be fairly easily overlapped whenever you do get another insight bonus from something.)I support paladins and the alignment system.
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2010-09-15, 11:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Horizon Walker: Wow, Just Wow
Down 1 level -- thats harsh!
So Expert into Horizon Walker = Truenamer? Gah!?
Since the abilities can be used on any plane, this actually becomes pretty nice. Though the ability for weightless planes becomes soewhat useless.
Any ideas on how to improve the class?
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2010-09-15, 11:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Horizon Walker: Wow, Just Wow
Hi
@Wayfare - Pathfinder version? (Even better if you're using the Pathfinder Ranger)! :)
Cheers
Paul H
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2010-09-15, 11:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-15, 11:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-15, 11:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Horizon Walker: Wow, Just Wow
Horizon Walker has one thing that bugs me. Or rather, it doesn't have something and bugs me because of that.
There's no way for someone with that class to get from one plane to another.
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2010-09-15, 11:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Horizon Walker: Wow, Just Wow
Buy a bag of holding and a portable hole. Problem solved.
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2010-09-15, 11:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-15, 11:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ah, the astral plane -- if you can make it there you can make it anywhere!
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2010-09-15, 12:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Horizon Walker: Wow, Just Wow
Would adding Astral Caravan as a class feature be too powerful?
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2010-09-15, 12:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Horizon Walker: Wow, Just Wow
Hard to say. They changed the way the powers are split up - there's now a weak and a strong for every terrain type, with no distinction made between "planar" and ordinary terrain, and you have to take the weak power to get that terrain's stronger power later - and they evened out the power levels to some degree within those tiers. It's got more good options, but fewer really good options, it's harder to cherry-pick good options, and it takes more investment to get to some of the really good ones... you can't, e.g., dip one level for immunity to fatigue anymore. On the other hand, you only need three levels in the class to get dimension door now - and they removed the weaselly language that would let a nasty DM interpret it as not being useful - instead of six levels. On the gripping hand, the dimension door power has a uses-per-day limit instead of a cooldown time.
In the "clear win" column, though, it's got a d10 hit die.Play your character, not your alignment.
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I would say so.
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2010-09-16, 04:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Horizon Walker: Wow, Just Wow
I find it very odd that nobody corrected your DM on this in the thread to which you linked, Killer Angel. (Nor corrected the Simple Q&A RAW thread you linked to in the linked post, for that matter.)
The Material Plane is mildly Neutral-aligned.
It is not "unaligned". And aligning yourself to the plane's dominant alignment when on the Material Plane means you cannot be detected, affected or smitten as a good, lawful, evil or chaotic creature. That's not bad.Last edited by Peregrine; 2010-09-16 at 04:36 AM.
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2010-09-16, 04:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-16, 10:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Horizon Walker: Wow, Just Wow
Losing the ability to teleport everywhere instead of walking just because you can is annoying, but practically speaking I don't think it's a nerf; you'll get 4-5 DimDoors with a typical Ranger entry, which is already more than your party Wizard will normally ever bother to prepare.
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2010-09-16, 10:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Horizon Walker: Wow, Just Wow
You can get unlimited Dimension Door every round with the Shape Soulmeld (Blink Shirt) feat. It's a Standard Action, with a range of 10 ft + 10 ft for every point of essentia invested in it. You can get essentia as a racial ability, with feats, with spells, and with levels of Incarnum based classes. If you bind it to your Totem chakra (requires a 2 level dip in Totemist) you can do it as a Move Action, which opens up Shadowpounce shenanigans.
The range is not as impressive as the Horizon Walker, but it can be used every round, and you don't have to slog through 5 levels of garbage to get it.
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2010-09-20, 02:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by Paul H; 2010-09-20 at 02:54 PM.
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Especially considering Dimension Door at will costs a feat thanks to Magic of Incarnum.
(Which is why as a GM, I'd never allow PF with 3.5 splat books. Far toooo broken)