Bardic Dance

[Jack Zander]

How does Bardic Music interact with Perform: Dance?

Once per day per bard level, a bard can use his song or poetics to produce magical effects on those around him (usually including himself, if desired). While these abilities fall under the category of bardic music and the descriptions discuss singing or playing instruments, they can all be activated by reciting poetry, chanting, singing lyrical songs, singing melodies, whistling, playing an instrument, or playing an instrument in combination with some spoken performance. Each ability requires both a minimum bard level and a minimum number of ranks in the Perform skill to qualify; if a bard does not have the required number of ranks in at least one Perform skill, he does not gain the bardic music ability until he acquires the needed ranks.

Emphasis mine. Does Perform: Dance do nothing for a bard?

[Starbuck_II]

How does Bardic Music interact with Perform: Dance?



Emphasis mine. Does Perform: Dance do nothing for a bard?

Those are examples. Frostburn makes it official that dance can be a perform choice with Snowflake dancing feat.

[Jack Zander]

Those are examples. Frostburn makes it official that dance can be a perform choice with Snowflake dancing feat.

That's good to know for Shadowdancer bards then.

[Forged Fury]

How does Bardic Music interact with Perform: Dance?

Emphasis mine. Does Perform: Dance do nothing for a bard?

Finger Cymbals FTW

Edit: Every time your character activates Bardic Music, make sure to play the Prince song Seven for even more awesome.

[DragoonWraith]

My dancer has a tambourine.

[Katana_Geldar]

My dancer has a tambourine.

This is so crying out for an ABBA reference.

[Player3]

This is so crying out for an ABBA reference.

The bard is a dancing queen?

[cupkeyk]

I had a bard with hip bells ( I am not sure what they were called, but the ones that Shakira wears)

[Morithias]

Wait if you use dance for your perform skill, doesn't that mean you actually CAN help a move silent check with it?

[Coidzor]

Heck, Virtuoso allows one to use BOEF's Perform: Blue skill for bardic effects.

Never really did figure out if one could use Perform: Blue for regular Bard though.

[DragoonWraith]

Perform: Blue?

[Savannah]

I had a bard with hip bells ( I am not sure what they were called, but the ones that Shakira wears)

Oh, man! Now I have to add that to my list of instruments I want to play a bard using. I'm aware that the grammar in that sentence is funky.

List of bards that Savannah must play:
Bagpiper
Accordion player
Bellydancer

To somewhat contribute to the topic: As a DM I would allow a bard to be a dancer rather than a musician. I can see where the designers were coming from, however, as I've never heard of one of the wandering bards (that I'm assuming they based the class on) dancing.

[Katana_Geldar]

They would have a dancer with them, maybe. But performing dancing for others was generally seen as something that disreputable people did (i.e. gypsies). Though troubedour's songs aren't exactly squeaky clean...

[Coidzor]

To somewhat contribute to the topic: As a DM I would allow a bard to be a dancer rather than a musician. I can see where the designers were coming from, however, as I've never heard of one of the wandering bards (that I'm assuming they based the class on) dancing.

Pfft. Like loyalty to source material is something worth considering.

Perform: Blue?

Book of Erotic Fantasy. Summons the Beast with X Backs.
This post out of this thread

Edit: This build instead.

[Lady Moreta]

My bard is a dancer

DM ruled that since bardic dance requires people to be able to see and hear you that she would need something audible. She wears tiny bells on her ankles.

If anyone is familiar with the works of David Eddings, she's basically a Nadrak dancer

[Thurbane]

I don't see how the Snowflake Wardance make Perform Dance legal for a Bardic Music ability...it simply requires ranks in perform dance, and burns one Bardic Music ability usage to activate the ability granted by the feat. I'm not 100% sure this equals "You can use Dance for Bardic Music abilities in general".

...anyhow, the Versatile Performer feat can help letting your ranks in one type of Perform count as others...

[Crasical]

Book of Erotic Fantasy. Summons the Beast with X Backs.
This post out of this thread

In the future, please link to Zaydos' version, using the Sorcerer. It's much better than the version I did.

[immature]... Heh. Just noticed he unveiled that on Post 69. Heh. [/immature]

[Coidzor]

In the future, please link to Zaydos' version, using the Sorcerer. It's much better than the version I did.

[immature]... Heh. Just noticed he unveiled that on Post 69. Heh. [/immature]

Just grabbed the first post where it seemed the topic shifted, haha. x.x

[JonestheSpy]

If anyone is familiar with the works of David Eddings, she's basically a Nadrak dancer

The Nadraks were totally my favorite nationality in the Eddings books.

[Ajadea]

I always thought that Bards would need to be audible and visible for Bardic Music, but being a Dance-bard with Mwk Shoes as your instrument (you know, like the masterwork instruments in Comp. Adventurer?) would allow you to have non-audible dances that still work. Of course, the bard must be visible still, and actually being silent would mean a Move Silently check or something.

Said dance-bard would also be incapable of Stilling spells but would be perfectly capable of Silencing them.

[DragoonWraith]

You could always be tap-dancing in those shoes.

[Lady Moreta]

I always thought that Bards would need to be audible and visible for Bardic Music,

This is why my DM ruled that my bard had to have something that would make noise. It's gotten to the point that if she fails a move silently check, it's because she forgot to take the bells off first.

There's never been any problem with her being audible and visible for making bardic music work, probably because the ones that are iffy with a dancer have never come up.

[Malbordeus]

i think Perform: High comedy
or perform: Sing Badly

are my favourites

but now

Perform: Highland Fling

[akma]

And everyone looked at me wierd whenever it got mentioned that my bard uses a mandolin...

[Malbordeus]

how do you play an orange?

[dsmiles]

List of bards that Savannah must play:
Bagpiper
Accordion player
Bellydancer
Vaudevillian
Mime

How's that for an addition?

[akma]

how do you play an orange?

You got confused with something with similiar name. Here is a picture of a mandolin: http://hoogel.co.il/CustomerImages/2...%A0%D7%941.jpg

[Starbuck_II]

I don't see how the Snowflake Wardance make Perform Dance legal for a Bardic Music ability...it simply requires ranks in perform dance, and burns one Bardic Music ability usage to activate the ability granted by the feat. I'm not 100% sure this equals "You can use Dance for Bardic Music abilities in general".

...anyhow, the Versatile Performer feat can help letting your ranks in one type of Perform count as others...

Because it is an official example that you can choose perform Dance.

[Thurbane]

I don't think the fact you can choose Perform (Dance) as a skill has been in question, has it? Several PrCs have it as a req. The question is whether you can use it for Bardic Music...

[Snake-Aes]

I don't think the fact you can choose Perform (Dance) as a skill has been in question, has it? Several PrCs have it as a req. The question is whether you can use it for Bardic Music...

The perform has to be audible. So basically anything verbal or musical. Perform(Oratory) Inspire Heroics: WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE ARE?
That kind of stuff.
Dances aren't defined by the sound they make, so you'll be hardpressed to find MUSIC made of dancing.