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    As for using Marshal or Bard, I would say that is Chivalryís call since heís the one actually writing the Hebdomad; youíre just doing the crunch. I would say bard since he is a herald and patron of heralds, which is explicitly what bards do.
    Well, Marshal will do just fine, though those are my thoughts as to why you'd use Bard pretty much.

    On that note, so we can move together united, your thoughts on my interpretations of the others?:

    • Barachiel: Bard or Marshal
    • Domiel: Rogue or Ranger
    • Erathaol: Archivist, Wizard, Loremaster or Cleric (my leaning would be archivist or a mystic theurge of wizard and archivist, though loremaster might do)
    • Pistis Sophia: Monk (or swordsage)
    • Raziel: Paladin or Barbarian with an exemption for being lawful (or warblade or crusader)
    • Sealtiel: Knight (or crusader)
    • Zaphkiel: Class levels seem inappropriate
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    Well, we could make Raziel a non-barbarian melee class and give him a rage as one of his special abilities (As a rule of thumb, cosmic entities have one unique ability for every 15 HD they have). As for Zaphkiel, Asmodeus has levels in both Cleric and Wizard so I don't see why his equivalent can't do the same. Although I suppose we are eventually going to have to figure out exactly what Zaphkiel is in the first place.
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    Fly speed is too slow

    I can bump it up.

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    Fast as lightning is still too good
    Fine.

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    BAB should be +65 (40 outsider, 20 marshal, 5 epic marshal)
    That is not how epic BAB works. You take the base attack bonus of the first twenty levels, and then you divide the rest of the hit dice by two (rounded up IIRC) add them up, and that is the BAB. That is also how it works for saves.

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    Sword of the Host is missing attack bonii
    Yeesh, I forgot to add it. Forgot to add ability modifiers to the saves as well. And size modifier to the AC. Herp.

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    The full attack damage is less than the
    regular attack; both should have a base damage of 2d6
    That is another error since I had to down grade it; if you read the Blade of the Heavenly Host ability, the base damage is 5d6, not 2d6. Technically, as a large greatsword (something else I forgot to change), it actually would deal 3d6 as the base, but I bumped it up.

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    Damage reduction should be overcome by something and should probably be a little lower (Probably anarchic, epic, evil, and some material)
    Hm. Chaotic, Evil, Epic and Adamantine, to mirror the Silver that most Fiends get as the thing they are weak to.

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    Saves are off, not sure of the exact values but since he doesnít have equal Dex, Con, and Wis and Iím sure Marshal doesnít have all good saves they shouldnít all be the same.
    See above.

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    Strength is a bit high, everything else is good. I would suggest late 30s to early 40s.
    Bael has Strength 55. I could may lower it to 46 or 45.

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    Feats should be alphabetized, sorted into Feats and Epic Feats, and have their source noted if it isnít Core or BoED
    Minor thing, but treasure should probably be quintuple standard
    Fine.

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    The Blade of the Heavenly Host should have a total enhancement bonus of around +15 and you should note whether the extra damage stacks with the Shocking Blast
    Got it.

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    Smote should be reduced to 45d6
    Good point. Technically, it was supposed to be a number of d6 equal to Barachiel's Hit Dice, so it would be more like 70d6. But I can lower it.

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    You need an [/i] at the end of spell-likes and probably donít have enough.
    Fine.

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    Call the Host is fine, as long as you are considering it to be a special ability of his and not something that all the Hebdomad get.
    Certainly not; Barachiel is flavored as the General of the armies of Celestia, so it seemed fair that he be able to call more Archons than the other Tome Archons.

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    As for using Marshal or Bard, I would say that is Chivalryís call since heís the one actually writing the Hebdomad; youíre just doing the crunch. I would say bard since he is a herald and patron of heralds, which is explicitly what bards do.
    He is also first and foremost a general. Bards are baaaad generals. A general who can generally be killed faster than their troops, whose main ability requires that they do nothing but use it (I.E. no moving ever), who can cast minor spells off of a minor list that have no real combat application as a general, and whose greatest abilities can affect barely anyone, is a bad general.
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    Racial Hit Dice don't count when dealing with epic levels. The BAB should actually be +53.

    For example, the Chichimec has 27 racial HD, so it ha a BAB of +27.
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    Racial Hit Dice don't count when dealing with epic levels. The BAB should actually be +53.
    Can you give me a citation for this? As long as I have been making gods (which the Hebdomad technically are), and using the Deities and Demigods rule book, you take the base attack bonus of the first twenty hit die or levels, and then you go from there. The first twenty hit die or levels in this case is 20 Outsider hit dice, which gives you a base attack bonus of +20. Then you go to the epic progression from there, giving you +25. Add them up and you get +45.
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    I added the citation while you were writing your response. Deities and Demigods is a lousy example, because most only have 20 racial HD before the class levels are piled on. Check any outsider in the ELH/SRD. They have a BAB equal to their racial HD, just like non-epic outsiders.
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    I added the citation while you were doing it. Deities and Demigods is a lousy example, because most only have 20 racial HD before the class levels are piled on. Check any outsider in the ELH/SRD. They have a BAB equal to their racial HD, just like non-epic outsiders.
    But how did you get +53? +40 for the hit dice, and then +13 for 30 levels of Marshal? Did you mean 55? That is how the Gates of Hell has Bael's BAB, and would make sense, I guess.
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    Oh, my mistake. I thought you had 25 levels of Marshal. My apologies.
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    Oh, my mistake. I thought you had 25 levels of Marshal. My apologies.
    Oh, no problem.

    Well, I should have everything done in a jiffy, if I can alphabetize the feats by then; you know, that is kind of a stupid thing to do; I can understand sort epic from non-epic, and giving sources, but putting the feats in alphabetical order doesn't make it any easier to find, doesn't make it any easier to read, doesn't really help anyone at all. It doesn't even have an intrinsic aesthetic value either.
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    Personally, I wouldn't bother. It just seems rather tedious.
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    Barachiel, without Heldenmut.

    Barachiel
    Large Outsider (Good, Lawful)
    Marshal 30
    HD 40d8+30d8+1050 (1368 hp)
    Speed 120 ft. (18 squares); Fly (Perfect) 160 feet
    Init: +29
    AC 77; touch 37; flat-footed 58 (+9 Dex, +20 Dodge, +27 Armor, +23, -2 Size )
    BAB +45; Grp +67
    Attack Sword of the Host +74 melee (5d6+27+20d6+10+3d6, 17-20/x4 + 12d6)
    Full-Attack Sword of the Host +74/+69/+64/+59 (5d6+27+10d6+10+3d6, 17-20/x4 + 12d6)
    Space 20 ft.; Reach 20 ft.
    Special Attacks Blade of the Heavenly Host, Trumpet on the Mount, Smote, Spell-like abilities, Call the Host, Vengeance of the Heavens, Minor Auras, Major Auras, Grant Move Action 7/day
    Special Qualities Fast as Lightning, Aura of Menace, Damage Reduction 51/Chaotic Evil Epic and Adamantine, Immunities, Indelible Imprint, Magic Circle Against Evil, Spell Resistance 59, Teleport, Tongues
    Saves Fort +51 Ref +46 Will +43
    Abilities Str 46, Dex 28, Con 38, Int 22, Wis 23, Cha 45
    Skills Diplomacy +105 , Handle Animal +90, Heal +79, Intimidate +90, Knowledge (nobility) +79, Knowledge (religion) +79, Knowledge (the planes) +79, Listen +79, Perform (oratory) +103, Sense Motive +81, Spellcraft +79, Spot +79, Survival +32
    Feats Blind-Fight, Combat Expertise, Combat Reflexes, Dodge, Flyby Attack, Improved Bull-Rush, Improved Critical (Sword of the Host), Improved Toughness1, Mobility, Negotiator, Power Attack, Run, Shock Trooper1, Skill Focus (Diplomacy)B, Skill Focus (Perform (oratory)), Spring Attack, Track, Weapon Focus (Sword of the Host), Whirlwind Attack, Wingover
    Epic Skill Focus (Diplomacy), Epic Skill Focus (Perform (oratory)), Improved Combat Reflexes, Spellcaster Harrier
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    1: Complete Warrior
    Environment Seven Mounting Heavens of Celestia (Lunia)
    Organization Solitary
    Challenge Rating 55
    Treasure Quintuple standard, plus Heldenmut
    Alignment Lawful Good
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    This empyreal figure appears as a 9-foot-tall androgynous human with silver skin and dark violet eyes. Great wings covered with silver feathers grace his shoulders. He wears a flowing violet robe adorned with tiny motes of light that glow like stars. He wields a greatsword that crackle with electricity and carries a burnished silver trumpet.

    Barachiel (bah-RAY-kee-ehl) rules Lunia, the bottom layer of the great heavenly mountain, also known as the Silver Heaven. He commands Celestiaís defenses against incursion, though he rarely has much to do in that capacity. In addition, he is the herald and messenger of the archon paragons, even visiting the Material Plane on occasion to deliver messages of the utmost importance. He leads the trumpet archons and is a patron of mortal heralds as well.

    The Citadel of Stars is Barachielís home on the shore of the Silver Sea. A towering fortress with gleaming white marble walls, the Citadel entertains an almost constant stream of trumpet archons coming in and going out on their missions across the planes.

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    Any weapon Barachiel wields is treated as good-aligned and lawful-aligned for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.

    Blade of the Heavenly Host (Su): As a free action, Barachiel may call his blade to him. It is a large +10 Shocking Blast greatsword that deals a base 5d6 damage. On a successful attack, it deals an extra 10d6 electricity damage. The blade is immune to any dispel effect or any means of destroying it. If it is removed from Barachielís possession, it immediately disappears, and Barachiel can re-summon it as a free action. The extra electricity damage from this ability stacks with the Shocking Blast property of the sword itself.

    Trumpet on the Mount (Su): Barachiel may sound his great, awe-inspiring trumpet as a standard action. He blasts a great burst of sound from it, causing all non-archons within 100 feet to make a Will save (DC 62) or be paralyzed for 2d4 rounds. If the trumpet is stolen from Barachiel, he may summon it to himself as a standard action, and it appears in his hand. The DC of this ability is Charisma based.

    Smote (Ex): As a standard action, three times per encounter, Barachiel may make a single melee attack against an opponent, with a bonus to the attack roll equal to his Charisma modifier. If the attack hits, Barachiel deals an extra 50d6 damage to the opponent. The damage of this attack doubles if the target is of the Evil alignment.

    Spell-like Abilities: At Will-- consecrate, daylight, detect chaos, detect evil, continual flame, dream, greater dispel magic, hallow, lightning bolt, holy aura (DC 35), holy smite (DC 31), holy word (DC 34), message, nightmare (DC 31), power word stun, sending, shield of law, true seeing, dispel evil, blade barrier (DC 33), cure critical wounds, spell turning, stoneskin, righteous might;
    3/dayómiracle (DC 36), true resurrection, mass heal.
    Caster level 49th. The save DCs are Charisma-based.

    Call the Host: Four times per day, Barachiel may summon a legion of the Host. The legion includes 4d10+10 Lantern Archons, 2d4+4 Sword Archons, 1d4+4 Trumpet Archons, and 1d2+2 Throne Archons. In addition, Barachiel may summon one of the Hebdomad with this ability. He may only summon at most one legion per encounter. They last until the end of the encounter, and then return to wherever they were summoned from.

    Vengeance of the Heavens (Su): As a full round action, Barachiel may summon thunder and lightning from the skies, and have it strike an opponent. He makes a ranged touch attack against a target that he can see. That target, and all non-archon targets within 30 feet must make a Reflex save (DC 62) or take 70d6 electricity damage. If they make the save, they only take half damage. Any target who attempts the save is automatically deafened. The save DC for this ability is Charisma based.

    Minor Auras (Ex): Barachiel knows the Art of War, Master of Tactics, Motivate Dexterity, Master of Opportunity, Force of Will, Demand Fortitude, Over the Top, Watchful Eye, Accurate Strike, and Determined Caster minor auras. He uses his Charisma modifier of +17 for these effects.

    Major Auras (Ex): Barachiel knows the Motivate Ardor, Motivate Attack, Motivate Care, Steady Hands, Motivate Urgency, and Resilient Troops auras. The bonus for these effects is +6.

    Grant Move Action (Ex): Seven times per day, Barachiel may, as a standard action, grant an additional move action to all allies within 30 feet (but not himself). This extra action does not affect the alliesí initiative count; the round continues normally after Barachielís turn is over. (This may mean, for example, that an ally whose initiative
    count immediately follows Barachielís may get an extra move action from Barachiel, followed directly by a full round worth of actions on the allyís turn.)

    Fast as Lightning (Ex): Barachiel gains a +20 Dodge bonus to Armor Class, and a +20 bonus to Initiative. He loses the bonus to Armor Class if he loses his Dexterity modifier to Armor Class.

    Aura of Menace: A righteous aura surrounds Barachiel when he fights or gets angry. Any hostile creature within a 40- foot radius of him must make a Will save (DC 62) to resist its effects. Those who fail take a Ė10 morale penalty on attacks, AC, and saves for one day. If an affected creature makes a successful hit against him, that creature (only) can attempt a new saving throw. A creature that makes a successful saving throw against the effect cannot be affected again by the aura for one day. The DC for this ability is Charisma based.

    Immunities: Barachiel immune to Electricity, Fire, Cold, Sonic and Acid damage. He is immune to poison, paralyze effects, mind affecting spells and effects, and petrification.

    Indelible Imprint: When one of the Celestial Hebdomad is slain, the dying paragon releases holy energy to brand its murderer for all time. The instant the paragon dies, all creatures within 100 feet who have dealt damage to the paragon within the past day must make a Will save (DC 62). Those that succeed take half damage. In any case, the creatures receive an unsightly rune upon their faces that instantly identifies them to any lawful good outsider as a murderer of a member of the Hebdomad, and take 20d6 untyped damage. The mark may be removed with a wish or miracle spell if the caster beats the Spell resistance of the paragon. The DC for this ability is Charisma based.

    Heldenmut
    Heldenmut is the shining silver full plate of Barachiel. It has an armor bonus of +27, has no maximum dexterity bonus, no speed penalty, and no armor check penalty. It has the effects of the Great Reflection, and Negating enhancements.

    Heldenmut was made in the ancient forges of the high mountain, from Orichalcum, the ore mined from mount Celestia itself. The Archons do not normally allow Orichalcum to be mined, but the ore was taken from the mountain for the purpose of making the armor of the general of the Mount. It was forged from ancient fires and techniques long forgotten by the first Archons, made of the very ideals of Law and Good. The forger, Ehren, poured his very soul into the creation of the armor, spilling blood and tears into the glowing metal. Because of this, the Orichalcum, normally pink, turned a bright silver. It also absorbed some of the essence of Ehren, and became harder than the hardest steel, but remaining as light as normal Orichalcum.

    Heldenmut is handed down, Barachiel to Barachiel. Safeguarding the ancient armor is one of their chief duties, in addition to protecting Celestia.
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    Did you make Heldenmut out of thin air, or is it a very extravagant common type of armor with material/magical improvements?
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    Did you make Heldenmut out of thin air, or is it a very extravagant common type of armor with material/magical improvements?
    Kind of thin air. Full plates' armor bonus is +8, so this is like an Orichalcum Full Plate that eats magic.

    I might feel like writing up actual background for it now. For the record, the name itself means "Valor" in German, and it seemed to fit.
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    Back story would be awesome. Its really cool that people are putting that much energy into names instead of coming up with random, strung together syllables.
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    Back story would be awesome. Its really cool that people are putting that much energy into names instead of coming up with random, strung together syllables.
    Background is in the description for the artifact itself. I almost want to give it some more powers, because just eating magic seems kind of tame given its background.

    [Edit]: Oh! Tell me if you think the description for Heldenmut is too much, Sir-Chivalry, or if it is too conflicting with the fluff and stuff.
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    Back story would be awesome. Its really cool that people are putting that much energy into names instead of coming up with random, strung together syllables.
    So far, I haven't had to come up with any names, I think But I'm pretty sure Nemmiron is a random collection of syllables.
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    Well, no. You're just giving backstory to things already named.

    Sadly, you seem to be correct about Nemmiron.
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    Background is in the description for the artifact itself. I almost want to give it some more powers, because just eating magic seems kind of tame given its background.

    [Edit]: Oh! Tell me if you think the description for Heldenmut is too much, Sir-Chivalry, or if it is too conflicting with the fluff and stuff.
    It's fantastic. I don't see how it could contradict with my fluff at all even if I was trying to find fault, but I simply think that is a nice fluff for a suit of armour. Does it magically appear out of thin air on him at will (I think you said it did) or is it put on him?
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    It's fantastic. I don't see how it could contradict with my fluff at all even if I was trying to find fault, but I simply think that is a nice fluff for a suit of armour. Does it magically appear out of thin air on him at will (I think you said it did) or is it put on him?
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    As far as the indelible mark is concerned, I'd make the mark appear, no save. If you were able to kill Barachiel, you most likely had to fight your way through multiple Archons, so Celestials should already be able to identify you.
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    As far as the indelible mark is concerned, I'd make the mark appear, no save. If you were able to kill Barachiel, you most likely had to fight your way through multiple Archons, so Celestials should already be able to identify you.
    Hm... good idea.

    [Edit]: Okey dokey, save on the mark is removed.
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    To clarify, I'd keep the save for the damage, but not for mark itself.

    The higher-ranking angels from the creature catalog had a similar power.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Iamyourking View Post
    Just pick something from Dice's list and get started. Alternately, if you are feeling ambitious, try making one of blackjack's Powers; I get the feeling he isn't going to come back for them.
    Sorry for taking so long to answer. I had some computer problems. So what is this list your talking about? Where is it at?

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    Dice made a list of a bunch of variant archons we could use, drastically simplifying the process of making them. Just go back a few pages and you'll find it.
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    Dice made a list of a bunch of variant archons we could use, drastically simplifying the process of making them. Just go back a few pages and you'll find it.
    It's here. I'll get around to statting some of them up...one of these days...hopefully....

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    So these are something like the normals of their kind just with varying abilities? This kind of reminds me of the spheres concept. Which was used in the tome of fiends and tome of elements. Is that what your going for?

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    'Kay. So I guess I can at least enter the concept stage for a trumpet archon. I was thinking of what I'd like to do and what fits in with Heaven and trumpets, and I think I'd like to make some kind of trumpet archon based around the seven trumpets from the Book of Revelations. They'd basically be mid to high level combat summoners, calling down meteors and shooting stars and whatnot. They'd also be portal openers; not Gate or anything that game-breaking, but rather an active supernatural ability that spits out low-level archons (for support/defense) or devils (for offense; devils instead of demons because archons and devils do rest on the lawful side of the wheel, so some kind of contract maybe?). So, whad'ya think?
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    Sure, it's a good idea.

    Let's see.

    1. trumpet:
    Hail and Fire. Pretty straightforward: ice and fire damage.
    Destroys plants.

    2. trumpet:
    Destroying the oceans. Not sure on that one.

    3. trumpet:
    Poisons rivers and springs. Also not sure. Can create diseases?

    4. trumpet:
    Darkens the sky: darkness effects.

    5. trumpet:
    Insect swarms.

    6. trumpet:
    Summons an army

    7. trumpet:
    War and judgement. Difficult to implement.

    Overall opinion: very blasty. I'd prefer if at least some of the trumpets had more of a connection with heraldry and messages than killing people and despoiling the land. Actually, all of that seems a bit much wanton destruction for the forces of lawful good.

    Perhaps just a few blasty trumpet archons?

    Herald Archon: calls forth the armies of Heaven. Summoner.
    Thunder Archon: calls forth darkness in the skies, lets fire and ice rain down.

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    That sounds pretty sweet.
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