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2010-10-22, 08:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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[3.5] Mystic SotAO Ranger -> Swiftblade?
Assuming the Sorc/Wiz spells you gain through the Sword of the Arcane Order feat, count as Arcane spells, would using an Arcane advancing prg class such as swiftblade,advance the spellcasting?
I wanted to make a more...balanced gish, in the sense that instead of being a spellcaster that hits baddies with a piece of metal, a much more martial spellcaster.
So I came up with the idea of trying to combine it with one of my favorite prg classes the Swiftblade, as the lost CL are not a big issue in such a build, besides it also opens some really nice options, the only thing I micht be missing is the capstone, as I won't have 6th level spells.
So what do you think? Should it be allowed? Yes, no, why?
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2010-10-22, 09:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Mystic SotAO Ranger -> Swiftblade?
Sure. It's much like base Duskblade or Suel Arcanamach Swiftblade; works fine and gets all the spell casting of the base class in spite of having 4 dead levels, but misses out on Innervated Speed. It's fair, it's solid, it's not broken.
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2010-10-22, 09:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Mystic SotAO Ranger -> Swiftblade?
I love the idea. Probably my favorite gish build ever.
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2010-10-22, 09:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-22, 09:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-22, 09:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-22, 09:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Mystic SotAO Ranger -> Swiftblade?
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2010-10-22, 09:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-22, 10:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-22, 10:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Mystic SotAO Ranger -> Swiftblade?
Last edited by Eldariel; 2010-10-22 at 10:05 AM.
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2010-10-22, 10:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-22, 10:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Mystic SotAO Ranger -> Swiftblade?
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2010-10-22, 10:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Mystic SotAO Ranger -> Swiftblade?
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2010-10-22, 10:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Mystic SotAO Ranger -> Swiftblade?
It's not listed in any racial statblock. Magic of Incarnum's Aasimar Incarnate gains Martial Weapon Proficiency as a bonus feat. Planar Handbook's neraph 'treat the annulat as a martial weapon', but are not mentioned as innately proficient with them.
That's plenty of evidence of the RAI here. RAW is pretty obvious that they do get it, but complaining if any DM shoots it down is silly, because RAI is also very clear.
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2010-10-22, 10:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Mystic SotAO Ranger -> Swiftblade?
"An outsider possesses the following traits (unless otherwise noted in a creature’s entry)."...Proficient with all simple and martial weapons and any weapons mentioned in its entry. That kinda throws the RAI argument for a loop IMO, as all outsiders have that by default. If they had proficiency with a specific martial weapon, I'd agree. The aasimar incarnate seems, honestly, to be the more likely oversight, considering that there would be no other evidence to support that players lose a racial trait because they're a player.
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2010-10-22, 10:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-22, 11:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-22, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-22, 11:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Mystic SotAO Ranger -> Swiftblade?
Started playing LATE in 3.5 run ( ~2006-2007), so I don't know about previous editions.
From the top of my head without checking my books.
Dark (ToM) Human Mystic Ranger 5/Abjurant Champion 1/Swiftblade 10/Abjurant Champion +4
1 Expeditous Dodge (RoTW)
H Mobility
3 Combat Casting
6 SotAO (CoV)
9 Minor Shapeshift (CMag)
12 Dimensional Jaunt (CMag)
15 Bounding Assault/Rapid Blitz
18 Rapid Bitz (Don't remember which one is the pre-req for the other one)
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2010-10-22, 11:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-22, 12:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-22, 12:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-22, 02:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-22, 02:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Mystic SotAO Ranger -> Swiftblade?
The Complete Warrior rules on losing prerequisites for a PrC apply to all books. This bothers me enough to sig it. If you disagree, please PM me, I'm down with being proven wrong.
Steam: Thiyr (The Great and Powerful Bulbasaur).
SC2: RianL.377. Hit me up for some SC2 if you're on.
Bulbabulbabulbabulba...SAUR.
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2010-10-22, 03:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Mystic SotAO Ranger -> Swiftblade?
Anyway, even with Mystic Ranger as the base, I'd still say don't take Swiftblade 10.
Eldritch Knight 1 would give a bonus feat and bump up the fortitude save.
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2010-10-22, 03:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-22, 03:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-22, 05:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Mystic SotAO Ranger -> Swiftblade?
But skeletons are not a playable race. Though I just checked the 'playing as a rakshasa' statblock and it does not mention weapon proficiencies so all, so maybe it's not that clear. The evidence from Aasimar Incarnate still stands, though.
Well, Swiftblade 10 also gives you time stop, ya know. Just saying.
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2010-10-22, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-22, 06:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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