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2010-11-05, 05:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Greater Spell Focus in FRCS vs PH?
I was just skimming though feats in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting where I noticed the Greater Spell Focus feat is listed as a +4 to spell DC, while the Greater Spell Focus in PH only grants a +1 ?!
I tried reading though a FRCS erreta but didn't find anything about it. I'm know i'm not the first to spot it, so do you know what up with it?
F.x. if I play a Master Specialist to lvl 3 in a FR setting, would I get the +4 version instead of the +1?
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2010-11-05, 05:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Greater Spell Focus in FRCS vs PH?
The SF in FRCS is 3.0, and thus the one in the 3.5 PHB replaces it.
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2010-11-05, 06:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Do note that in 3.5 the bonus from Greater Spell Focus stacks with the bonus from Spell Focus.
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2010-11-05, 07:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Greater Spell Focus in FRCS vs PH?
Ah ok, I didn't think if that but that is of course the reason. thanks for clarifying it for me
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2010-11-05, 07:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Greater Spell Focus in FRCS vs PH?
Actually, as long as the DM allows it, you can use it.
3.0 material can still be used in a 3.5 game. The PHB says that.Originally Posted by Hans
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2010-11-05, 07:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Greater Spell Focus in FRCS vs PH?
Weren't there one or two feats in Psionic Handbook that weren't added to Expanded Psionics Handbook, despite there being nothing rules-breaking about them?
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Re: Greater Spell Focus in FRCS vs PH?
It may not make such a qualification specifically for 3.0->3.5, but there is a general rule elsewhere that if a new version of something is published the new version replaces the old one and the old version is no longer valid. The 3.5 PHB is newer than the 3.0 FRCS, so the PHB version of Greater Spell Focus is the only one of the two allowed in 3.5 games - unless you're playing without the PHB (which might be a tad difficult) or making a house rule.
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Re: Greater Spell Focus in FRCS vs PH?
Straight from the Errata:
Originally Posted by Errata Rule: Primary Sources
Also, seriously, common sense.
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2010-11-05, 09:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Plus, the PHB (being a primary source) says specifically that the older versions of things in D&D are just as usable as their 3.5 counterparts.
I'm not talking about the Spell Focus thing, but what about things like the samurai? Would you really rather use the one in complete warrior or the one in Oriental Adventures?Last edited by Lhurgyof; 2010-11-05 at 09:10 AM.
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Re: Greater Spell Focus in FRCS vs PH?
No lie. If it had been 9th level, it would still have been worth casting.
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2010-11-05, 02:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Greater Spell Focus in FRCS vs PH?
Originally Posted by Psyren
The Expanded Psionics Handbook doesn't actually come out and say that it completely replaces everything in the Psionics handbook, so you may use the elements of the Psionics Handbook that are still compatible (notably some powers and metapsionic feats, especially Persistent Power). Expect your DM to throw books at you, though, because the intent very clearly is that the XPH should completely replace the Psionic Handbook.
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2010-11-05, 02:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Greater Spell Focus in FRCS vs PH?
Well, if you want a 3.5 version of Persistent Power, look no further than Bruce Cordell's Hyperconscious. But actually I agree with you; I see no reason, for instance, why I can't adapt Planar Vanguard to 3.5 - especially since all the prereqs are 3.5-legal.
My argument primarily concerns things that have been updated; allowing the 3.0 versions of those just plays hob with what little balance 3.5 possesses.Last edited by Psyren; 2010-11-05 at 02:51 PM.
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Re: Greater Spell Focus in FRCS vs PH?
For what it's worth, I'm currently in a IRL FR campaign, and my DM has let me use FRCS Greater Spell Focus.
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2010-11-05, 04:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Greater Spell Focus in FRCS vs PH?
Well actually as I recall the expanded psionics handbook is really the most recient version of the psionics handbook as opposed to a separate book. So which one is correct depends on if newer versions of things or older versions of things take precedence as either one or the other must.
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I don't have the PHB on me right now, but I'm more than certain that it says on page 5 you can use 3.0 material even if it's updated.
I'm not saying it's always a good thing, you should talk to your DM first, but yeah.Originally Posted by Hans
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Re: Greater Spell Focus in FRCS vs PH?
Fortunately I do infact have the 3.0 PHB. The entire passage you refer to is thus:
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This revision is compatible with all existing products, and those products
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You mean this sidebar?
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world of adventure and imagination. If you played the prior version of
this book, rest assured that this revision is a testament to our dedication
to continuous product improvement and innovation. We’ve updated
errata, clarified rules, polished the presentation, and made the game
better than it was. This is an upgrade of the d20 System, not a new edition
of the game. This revision is compatible with existing products, and these
products can be used with the revision with only minor adjustments.
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