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    If we start getting into the WAY subgenres, I like genepunk. Because it's my body, and if I want to have walrus tusks and a mane, I should be allowed to. But still mostly cyberpunk. As one of the many who spends most of their time on the computer by choice, I just love the idea of being fully immersed in it. I can't tell you how many times I've been frustrated by the limitations of computer in/outs. Speech and written language are the two slowest methods of communicating data, and the only ways to send information to the computer (practically) are typing, or using something like Dragon, Naturally Speaking that will transcribe your voice into text.
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    Cyberpunk has had the better explorations so far but for the pure idea Steampunk wins. Cyberpunk is a little too impersonal, too happy to sit in a dystopia and dehumanise (yeah I know that's the point) everyone involved. Steampunk though is aesthetically awesome and also tends to be a little more sympathetic and warm. Plus I love zeppelins.

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    Steampunk is indeed awesome, reciprocating steam power being such a visceral, massive, profound kind of power. Cattle Punk, which I personally just fold into Stempunk, just Out West or other similar frontier, is also awesome if done right. Another appeal is it is based on the era of massive personal achievement in experimental science. Men like Michael Faraday and Sir Humphrey Davy isolating elements and inventing dynamos, it was a heady time.
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    I think I quite enjoy both of them the same really.

    However in my opinion there is something that supercedes them both.

    Dieselpunk.
    Okay, I've never really been interested in cyberpunk.
    Steampunk has always been aesthetically just... not quite right, I guess, for me.
    Dieselpunk. This is something I can sink my teeth into. This pleases me greatly.
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    Cattle Punk


    Can't we just call it steampunk or even a western or just historical science fiction or something? This Punk Punk thing is really getting all kinds of ridiculous, leastways in my opinion.

    I now have the image of a story where the author explores a world where oppressed, rebellious daredevils have to fight for their survival amidst faceless herding corporations all the while pondering the implications of man growing more and more reliant of their cattle until it's not even safe to say whethere we are masters to these animals or if, indeed, the cows have grown to replace the human heart as the driving force of our destiny as a species.
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    I do call it steampunk, though technically speaking it actually pre-dates steampunk, while still being after its' 'source' era, with things like Wild Wild West, the original TV series that is. I am actually working on a camapgin setting where all the First Nations people were exported to Mars in Orion style spacecraft after it was found to have a breathable atmosphere, then it was found out why.
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    Punk Punk
    Which could also be awesome, though you'd have to find some way of making a functional world where everyone tries to shun the norm, and spends way too much of their food money on hair care products. While you're at it, I suppose the 'heros' would have to be people who... prize the status quo?
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    Actually, a lot of early punk, especially the first, cyberpunk, was people raging against a big impersonal heavily corporate controlled world 20 minutes into the future. That's where the punk came from, a man (or woman) sticking it to the Man. Of course now it's a bit different, the punk part has lost a lot of it's original meaning, but that's where it started.
    That's what I mean, though. The Victorian era was dystopian in a way too.
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    Which could also be awesome, though you'd have to find some way of making a functional world where everyone tries to shun the norm, and spends way too much of their food money on hair care products. While you're at it, I suppose the 'heros' would have to be people who... prize the status quo?
    That's a confusing world.
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    That's a confusing world.
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    That's what I mean, though. The Victorian era was dystopian in a way too.
    To a degree, it was more that it was a time of change, with new industries, and industry itself, changing long held patters of behaviour and economy. I wouldn't call it dystopian, though the working conditions were indeed horrifying. Anyway, the VIctorian Era and Steampunk don't exactly have a 1:1 correspondence, how punkish it is depends on the work.
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    Let's invent a few new genres, then, if Punk Punk annoys people

    I, personally, am a big fan of Caveman Punk.
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    I, personally, am a big fan of Caveman Punk.
    How would you even...

    I don't...

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    Microbial Punk. It's told from a germ's eye view.
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    It deals with the issue of how living in caves separates man from his roots, removing them from sleeping in grass nests under the open sky, how the invention of the sling and thrown spear dehumanizes hunting and warfare and how fire is giving power to a corrupt upper-class of shamans who selfishly hoard the secret of flintstone.

    I recommend Gibson's "Pyromancer" for a classic, or for a more modern take, "Snow Storm", by Neal Stephenson, which deals with the first humans colonizing northern Europe.
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    There was actually a book I read in Freshman year in highschool that was told from a germ's eye view. I can't recall much more than that I'm afraid
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    I do call it steampunk, though technically speaking it actually pre-dates steampunk, while still being after its' 'source' era, with things like Wild Wild West, the original TV series that is. I am actually working on a camapgin setting where all the First Nations people were exported to Mars in Orion style spacecraft after it was found to have a breathable atmosphere, then it was found out why.
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    Yes, I know it fails Economics forever.
    Well, it would be bad for the gold since it has relatively little practical use aside from being shiny and corrosion-resistant, but if there's platinum, iridium or palladium (or even silver) around in large quantities, that'd actually make sense assuming that spaceflight is fantastically cheap. Sure, those metals would lose their value as assets/investments, and be so cheap one may wonder if they still retain "respect" as jewellery, but it'd open up a lot of possibilities on putting them to various possible practical uses if they're not so rare anymore.
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    See, now I'm resisting the urge to start another short-lived homebrew project. This is time for the Storyteller/NWoD system.

    Blankpunk: The Mixing.

    You play as citizens of either a Cyber/Diesel/Bio/Steam/Dungeonpunk universe who has been sucked into our own.

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    Well... Steampunk... But then again, Cyberpunk... Hard choice is hard.
    ... Wait! That's Cybergoth... HAHA! Steampunk wins!

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    can't we all just read The Difference Engine and be friends?

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    Let's invent a few new genres, then, if Punk Punk annoys people

    I, personally, am a big fan of Caveman Punk.
    You mean stonepunk?

    I have heard of that.
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    You mean stonepunk?

    I have heard of that.
    Wouldn't that make the characters rocks?
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    You mean stonepunk?

    I have heard of that.
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    I'm going for Frontierpunk, Edopunk (this one would be awesome), Napoleopunk, and Romanpunk.
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    This thread made me realize I still don't know how hacking in Bioshock works. Who knew boiling water could form allegiances?

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    So... Officepunk? Because that would make my current job at least remotely cool. I have to start wearing trenchcoats and pretend there's a conspiracy involved in our vegetation nutritient content data.
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    So... Officepunk? Because that would make my current job at least remotely cool. I have to start wearing trenchcoats and pretend there's a conspiracy involved in our vegetation nutritient content data.
    You see endless cubicles stretch out forever. You live in a small space, live in your cubicle, and each individual office building is equivocation to a city. You wake up at 8 to start work after eating a cheap white bagel and getting cups of coffee from your office's Starbucks spring, do the same job till 12:00 for your lunch break till 12:15, and work till 7. You eat a TV dinner while gathering around a blurry old TV with your office mates, and then go to bed in a itchy mattress. Days stretch on, and begin to fuse together. But one man has a plan... A plan to shake his entire building to it's core... To mix up the bosses coffee.
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    So... Officepunk? Because that would make my current job at least remotely cool. I have to start wearing trenchcoats and pretend there's a conspiracy involved in our vegetation nutritient content data.
    That's pretty much what the suits/salarymen do in regular ol' cyberpunk. Especially the barely noticeable worker ants that make any megacorp go round. The higher ups have slightly more interesting lives, but even they pretty much spend their rare free time indulging in booze, drugs or interactive media to escape the monotony of their lives.

    Realistic, isn't it? Now, we just need one brave soul to get razorblades sewn into his hands and start a rebellion against the Man!
    And that shows us why I prefer Cyberpunk to, say, shinypunk or whatever trendy fashion outlet one could have. This stuff has actual relevance, even if it is a bit over the top.

    Continuing on that note, Kitchen Punk. One man's journey to show the faceless megarestaurants what real cooking is all about. By whatever means necessary. Which is more important, human lives or the perfect cuisine? Only the daring will find out. Cooking on the edge!
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    That's been done. They call it Iron Chef.
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    I'm going for Frontierpunk, Edopunk (this one would be awesome), Napoleopunk, and Romanpunk.
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    That's been done. They call it Iron Chef.
    I was going to say Cooking Mama. But that works too, sure.
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