steam punk v.s cyberpunk

[Erts]

Samurai Champloo?

Doesn't have the technical aspect, but it does have the the great story and incredible characters.

[abc123]

I think I quite enjoy both of them the same really.

However in my opinion there is something that supercedes them both.

Dieselpunk.

it's alright but i do prefer steam punk

[mikeejimbo]

Realistic, isn't it? Now, we just need one brave soul to get razorblades sewn into his hands and start a rebellion against the Man!
And that shows us why I prefer Cyberpunk to, say, shinypunk or whatever trendy fashion outlet one could have. This stuff has actual relevance, even if it is a bit over the top.

See, with the rate of change in the Victorian era being what it was, I think that Steampunk is just as relevant, (albeit possibly on a more metaphorical level) and has a far cooler aesthetic.

[turkishproverb]

Can I choose Cattlepunk?

[Erts]

Can I choose Cattlepunk?

I think Frontierpunk sounds better.

[Kris Strife]

Hamster wheel punk.

Gerbils will work in a pinch.

[turkishproverb]

The worst part is that now I'm picturing that.

[abc123]

giant purple dinosaur punk with hamsters

[IonDragon]

Hamster wheel punk.

Giant Space Hamster power star ship level?

[Fri]

Cattlepunk

[Kris Strife]

Giant Space Hamster power star ship level?

Just regular hamsters or gerbils.

I would love to see a setting seriously based around the exploitation of small rodents for technological progress.

[Eldan]

Warhammer's Skaven? Though they are also Rodents themselves. Still, they use gigantic rolling Hamster Wheels to power lightning cannons.

[abc123]

Just regular hamsters or gerbils.

I would love to see a setting seriously based around the exploitation of small rodents for technological progress.

a genetically modified mixture
of both

[Brewdude]

Just regular hamsters or gerbils.

I would love to see a setting seriously based around the exploitation of small rodents for technological progress.

You mean something like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfJnqbudMzs

[Comet]

Cattlepunk

That is awesome and totally what the word "Cattlepunk" should actually mean, even if the silly people at Google claim otherwise.

[Pocketa]

Cyberpunk because it has the potential to happen whereas steampunk needs to remain something that wasn't and can't be seeing as it involves changing the past, something we currently can't do but maybe could in the future.


And now I've confused myself.

Cyberpunk for potential.
Some steampunk (strick NeoVictorian) aesthetic.

Future>Past

[Androgeus]

Chronopunk, technology is powered by removing time from places? (I'm not enough of an analyst to work out how this would affect the society)

[turkishproverb]

Cyberpunk because it has the potential to happen whereas steampunk needs to remain something that wasn't and can't be seeing as it involves changing the past, something we currently can't do but maybe could in the future.


And now I've confused myself.

Cyberpunk for potential.
Some steampunk (strick NeoVictorian) aesthetic.

Future>Past

Steam punk is, basically by definition, alternate history. YOu do get to change the "past".

[Kane]

So... which do I like more, Bioshock or System Shock 2?

The answer to that is the later, unequivocally, I must confess. (Graphics are nice, but very little can compare to S-SH-S-SHODAN)

Unless it's... Well, two styles of steampunk I will make exceptions for.

Rise of Legends, the Vinche faction's schtick was 'steampunk all up in this', (or perhaps diesel punk. Hard to tell.)

They looked awesome. Period.

Second, if you try taking victorian steampunk and moving it to the Ottoman Empire, or Arabia. That style I have found very little of, but what there is is win concentrated to the point of toxicity.

Otherwise I'm going to have to go with cyberpunk.
I-i-insect! Are yo-you afraid? What is it that you f-fear-fear? (fear?)

[BRC]

So... which do I like more, Bioshock or System Shock 2?

The answer to that is the later, unequivocally, I must confess. (Graphics are nice, but very little can compare to S-SH-S-SHODAN)

Unless it's... Well, two styles of steampunk I will make exceptions for.

Rise of Legends, the Vinche faction's schtick was 'steampunk all up in this', (or perhaps diesel punk. Hard to tell.)

They looked awesome. Period.

Second, if you try taking victorian steampunk and moving it to the Ottoman Empire, or Arabia. That style I have found very little of, but what there is is win concentrated to the point of toxicity.

Otherwise I'm going to have to go with cyberpunk.
I-i-insect! Are yo-you afraid? What is it that you f-fear-fear? (fear?)

The second book in Scott Westerfield Leviathan series is set in a Steampunk (Well, Dieselpunk) Istambul (Not Constantinople). The Sultan keeps the piece with robotic war elephants, cannons on their backs and machine guns in their trunks.

[Comet]

So... which do I like more, Bioshock or System Shock 2?

Funnily enough, Bioshock is not steampunk and the System Shocks aren't quite cyberpunk, even less so with the second game. Just thought I'd point that out

[Kane]

The second book in Scott Westerfield Leviathan series is set in a Steampunk (Well, Dieselpunk) Istambul (Not Constantinople). The Sultan keeps the piece with robotic war elephants, cannons on their backs and machine guns in their trunks.

Yeah, I'd seen that. Going to have to get my hands on that book at a some point. I'm not a huge fan, but I can't resist the clankers. If only they weren't the designated badguys.

Funnily enough, Bioshock is not steampunk and the System Shocks aren't quite cyberpunk, even less so with the second game. Just thought I'd point that out

While I'll concede that Bioshock isn't quite steampunk, parts of it seem like an offshoot of that vein. I mean, come on, steam-powered turrets?

And I'm pretty sure SS2 is a cyberpunk setting to match any other; Megacorps, cybernetics, hacking, etc. Admittedly, in game, you don't get to see too much of it, but the setting is.

Could be wrong, though.

[Comet]

And I'm pretty sure SS2 is a cyberpunk setting to match any other; Megacorps, cybernetics, hacking, etc. Admittedly, in game, you don't get to see too much of it, but the setting is.

Yeah, the setting at large is cyberpunk for sure. The visuals are spot on for the genre, too. But besides that, there are some stuff like psychic powers and aliens that drive it a bit away from the traditional sense of the genre. Not by an awful lot, but still enough to make it something different in my mind.

Bioshock, too, is kind of its own thing. Art deco stylings instead of victorian aesthetics. Plus the drive of society and the central conflict in the game is based on biological technology and the "perfect human", instead of machinery and human ingenuity like in steampunk.

Both games skirt the lines of certain genres without really going along with them full on. Which is also a large part of what makes them awesome.

[TheArsenal]

Try watching Treasure Planet, its got an awesome mix of both.

[abc123]

Try watching Treasure Planet, its got an mix of both.

awesome movie classic pirates in future space age setting
just awesome

[Threeshades]

I prefer Dinopunk. That is where the awesome lies.

Flintstones all the way

[TheArsenal]

I prefer Dinopunk. That is where the awesome lies.

Flintstones all the way

God I was just hit by the idea:

Slave,Cyber,Ninja,Steam,Dance Punk!

[Satyr]

{Scrubbed}

[Concrete]

Cyber or diesel.
Steampunk is a little too optimistic for my tastes.

[turkishproverb]

Steampunk is a little too optimistic for my tastes.

Really? I can only think of one or two really "Optimistic" pieces of steampunk I've ever seen/read/heard. And The only one that's really good is Steamboy.