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    Worth it? Assuming you're in a campaign where only being able to function while the sun's down isn't a problem at all (I dunno, maybe you live in a fantasy version of Alaska where night lasts really long or your campaign takes place exclusively in the Underdark).

    A big downside I see is that you're missing eight levels worth of HD, but having your current and future raised to D12, gaining a damage reduction of 10/silver or magic, and the ability to gain HP while bestowing negative levels seem like they might balance that a bit.

    Now, spellcasters would be terrible, because who wants to sacrifice eight caster levels? The only class I see that wouldn't be majorly affected by losing eight levels of class features and caster level is fighter, in which case you'd be trading a bunch of feats for something resembling class features.

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    Worth it?
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    Yeah, I gotta go with Greenish here. If you want to be a vampire, I'd go with the Vampire Scion race (I can't remember the third party source book, one moment to look it up, please).

    EDIT: Ah, here it is, Fang and Fury.

    The link brings you to a review of both the book and the template-race, the Vampire Scion.
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    Someone from bioware worked on this? Nice.

    Though I'm not so much attracted to vampires themselves as the tasty ability modifiers. +6 strength? That's pretty tempting.

    EDIT: Actually. I just remembered a good fighter template. Goliath. >_>
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    Goliath is a template?

    Is there another Goliath outside the race from Races of Stone?

    Oh, by the way, just for future reference, if you choose a race with +2 strength and add the Vampire Scion template, it grants you the +6 bonus to strength you want. Only sucky part is it gives you a lot of weaknesses, and +2 LA (but if you were willing to go with the LA +8 vamp, +2 shouldn't be a problem).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorHobo View Post
    Though I'm not so much attracted to vampires themselves as the tasty ability modifiers. +6 strength? That's pretty tempting.

    EDIT: Actually. I just remembered a good fighter template. Goliath. >_>
    Goliath is a race.

    Of templates, even half-dragon gives +8 str at +3 LA, and is considered quite poor.

    Lloth-touched is +6 str, +6 con (and some misc. skill bonuses) for +1 LA and being CE.

    Feral gives (going from memory) +4 str, +2 con, -4 int, +2 wis, two d8 claws, +10' speed and 6 NA. +1 LA.

    Mineral Warrior gives +2 str, +4 con, -2 int, -2 wis, -2 cha, burrow speed, +3 NA, 1/day smite and DR 8/Adamantine. +1 LA.

    Half-minotaur is even sillier.
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    There is a +1 template in Pathfinder (called Giant) that grants the creature increased size:

    http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/mon...ate-giant-cr-1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenish View Post
    Goliath is a race.

    Of templates, even half-dragon gives +8 str at +3 LA, and is considered quite poor.

    Lloth-touched is +6 str, +6 con (and some misc. skill bonuses) for +1 LA and being CE.

    Feral gives (going from memory) +4 str, -2 dex +2 con, -4 int, +2 wis, two d8 claws, +10' speed and 6 NA. +1 LA.

    Mineral Warrior gives +2 str, +4 con, -2 int, -2 wis, -2 cha, burrow speed, +3 NA, 1/day smite and DR 8/Adamantine. +1 LA.

    Half-minotaur is even sillier.
    Fixed that for you Kudos on having almost everything right.

    and half minotaur is silly, because it gives like a +12 str (due the size increase), a con bonus... scent... and other goodies, in short a great (if cheesy) template for meleers.
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    But.... Minotaurs only have a +8 bonus to strength. Why would creatures diluted with the blood of other races get a +12 bonus?
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    Right, right. Goliath is a race, my bad.

    A Giant Goliath would be pretty nice. Large and able to wield Huge weaponry at a +2 LA.

    Feral and Lolth-touched sound interesting. What books are they from?
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    Feral is in Savage Species, Lolth-touched in MM IV.
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    Fixed that for you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusk Eclipse View Post
    and half minotaur is silly, because it gives like a +12 str (due the size increase), a con bonus... scent... and other goodies, in short a great (if cheesy) template for meleers.
    Not to mention the actual size increase. Large for +1 LA would be a good deal even with no other bonuses.
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    Feral and Lolth-touched sound interesting. What books are they from?
    Feral is from Savage Species, Lolth-touched from MM4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LOTRfan View Post
    But.... Minotaurs only have a +8 bonus to strength. Why would creatures diluted with the blood of other races get a +12 bonus?
    The template itselfs only gives +4, but when a creature increase size from medium to large, it gains a +8 Str ergo a +12 bonus to str. This is the primary reason Half minotaur is considered so cheesy and OP
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    nowhere near worth it unless you can use the d20 modern version which allows you to drop weaknesses for each power you lose, drop major problems for minor/crappy powers and you've got an interesting package (still crippling but MUCH less so).

    It's a great flavourful template if you dont' give a monkies toss about leveling and you can get it in game, minion to an undead overlord for a session or two? sure, sounds like fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusk Eclipse View Post
    The template itselfs only gives +4, but when a creature increase size from medium to large, it gains a +8 Str ergo a +12 bonus to str. This is the primary reason Half minotaur is considered so cheesy and OP
    Yeah. I suspect that the "use table 4-2" text in the description was intended for AC/attack penalties from size, not the other stuff. But it was poorly written.
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    meh, slap another LA or so onto half minotaur and it's not so bad. uh oh...I just recommended changing the RAW, what is the world coming to?

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