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    Default Re: Monks/Fighters/Wizards/ToB/3.5v4e/3.5vPF Why the hate?

    Ice cream debate thread = SO MUCH WIN

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    Default Re: Monks/Fighters/Wizards/ToB/3.5v4e/3.5vPF Why the hate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurald Galain View Post
    Obligatory link.

    Don't forget:
    • Why do paladins fall?
    • Mystic Theurge: decent or powerless?
    • Tiers: helpful or game breaking?
    • Should you use your DM influence to seduce your players?
    • 3.5 vs 3.0
    • 3.0 vs 2.0
    • 4.0 vs 4.4
    • Rituals: useful or useless?
    • Is D&D a MMORPG?
    • FATAL
    • Attempts to solve the Monk/Fighter/Wizard/etc. wars once and for all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck_II View Post
    No, FATAL talks about you. Which version are we referring to?
    1) Fantasy Adventure To Adult Lechery
    2) From Another Time; Another Land

    I hear there are at least two versions.

    Here is a postive review I found:
    http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/reviews/rev_5754.html
    There are two versions, but they aren't really related to the names. The first name was used during playtesting and the second name was used for the actual release because they worried that the "lechery" bit would damage sales.

    The main change from the playtest version to the published version is that some especially offensive magical items were removed from the final release. More details can be found on the game's TV Tropes page, if you're interested, since any actual discussion of the game's content is almost certainly a violation of the forum rules.
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    Hey, it could be worse. It could be monks. One day, someone will start a thread titled "4E monks, more morally justified than 3.5 wizards!", and the world will end.
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    Default Re: Monks/Fighters/Wizards/ToB/3.5v4e/3.5vPF Why the hate?

    Don't you mean 100% certainty?
    NS2...it's time to evolve again.

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    Default Re: Monks/Fighters/Wizards/ToB/3.5v4e/3.5vPF Why the hate?

    Melee combat, T.O.B.
    3rd, Three Point Five, or Four-E
    Wizards, Monks or Sorcerers
    CoDzilla versus Rangers

    Jarlaxle's wide brimmed hat
    Monkey Grip don't work like that
    D&D or Exalted?
    Working as intended?

    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    But it's constantly burning
    As the rounds are turning.
    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    No we didn't light her
    Cause we play a fighter

    Exalted is too anime
    Dragonbloods are often gay
    Small Daiklaives are epic fail
    Hot Bikini Chainmail!

    Should he run DMPCs?
    Leadership is so O.P.
    My DM makes me want to hurl
    Physics slaughters cat-girls.

    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    But it's constantly burning
    As the rounds are turning.
    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    No we didn't light her
    Cause we play a fighter

    Divination - Can we scry?
    Evocation sucks, you'll die
    Enchantment is hard to use
    Illusion's easily abused

    Will this make my Pally fall?
    Can I drop an Iron Wall?
    This game is to much like WoW
    Damage calc from falling cows

    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    But it's constantly burning
    As the rounds are turning.
    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    No we didn't light her
    Cause we play a fighter

    Faerun, Greyhawk, Eberron
    Star Wars Saga will live on
    Creation, or Shadowrun
    Rokugan, maybe Dark Sun

    Can I do this under RAW?
    Good and Evil, Chaos - Law
    Rabid, nasty version wars!
    I can't take it anymore!

    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    But it's constantly burning
    As the rounds are turning.
    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    No we didn't light her
    Cause we play a fighter
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    Default Re: Monks/Fighters/Wizards/ToB/3.5v4e/3.5vPF Why the hate?

    ^ Now the official theme song for this thread

    (For the Uncultured - sung to the tune of "We Didn't Start the Fire")
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    Default Re: Monks/Fighters/Wizards/ToB/3.5v4e/3.5vPF Why the hate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle_Hunter View Post
    ^ Now the official theme song for this thread
    Seriously. Talya wins the thread. And a cookie.
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    Default Re: Monks/Fighters/Wizards/ToB/3.5v4e/3.5vPF Why the hate?

    That was amazing! This thread has already gone way beyond my wildest expectations....

    Talya, would it be okay if I quote this in the first post? I would need to spoiler it and I don't know how to do it, so if anyone has any advice on it, I would appreciate that too!

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    Default Re: Monks/Fighters/Wizards/ToB/3.5v4e/3.5vPF Why the hate?

    I need a verse referencing cat-girls.

    It's a work in progress.
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    Melee combat, T.O.B.
    3rd, Three Point Five, or Four-E
    Wizards, Monks or Sorcerers
    CoDzilla versus Rangers

    Jarlaxle's wide brimmed hat
    Monkey Grip don't work like that
    D&D or Exalted?
    Working as intended?

    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    But it's constantly burning
    As the rounds are turning.
    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    No we didn't light her
    Cause we play a fighter

    Divination - Can we scry?
    Evocation sucks, you'll die
    Enchantment is hard to use
    Illusion is easily abused

    Will this make my Pally fall?
    Can I drop an Iron Wall?
    This game is to much like WoW
    Damage calc from falling cows

    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    But it's constantly burning
    As the rounds are turning.
    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    No we didn't light her
    Cause we play a fighter

    Faerun, Greyhawk, Eberron
    Star Wars Saga will live on
    Creation, or Shadowrun
    Rokugan, maybe Dark Sun

    Can I do this under RAW?
    Good and Evil, Chaos - Law
    Rabid, nasty version wars!
    I can't take it anymore!

    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    But it's constantly burning
    As the rounds are turning.
    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    No we didn't light her
    Cause we play a fighter
    *sniffle* It's so beautiful. Not to mention, the whole forum in a nutshell. I...good job. Now we can just sticky this and lock the forum!
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    Default Re: Monks/Fighters/Wizards/ToB/3.5v4e/3.5vPF Why the hate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Drothmal View Post
    Talya, would it be okay if I quote this in the first post? I would need to spoiler it and I don't know how to do it, so if anyone has any advice on it, I would appreciate that too!
    Oh, yeah, sure.

    I recommend linking it too:
    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showp...8&postcount=35

    Paste the text into your post, highlight it all and hit teh "Spoil" button. Or use {spoiler}{/spoiler} around it (replacing {} brackets with [] brackets.)
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    Default Re: Monks/Fighters/Wizards/ToB/3.5v4e/3.5vPF Why the hate?

    Actually, a couple more topics I've seen quite a bit:

    - Are DMPCs a good idea?
    - Is the Leadership feat broken?
    - My DM plays favorites with his g/f's character!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    Actually, a couple more topics I've seen quite a bit:

    - Are DMPCs a good idea?
    - Is the Leadership feat broken?
    - My DM plays favorites with his g/f's character!
    I'll add the DMPCs and leadership to the main questions (the favoritism question does come up, but I feel that is too much of a case by case basis for people to be satisfied with reading about others, but I could be convinced otherwise). Any recommended threads?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    Actually, a couple more topics I've seen quite a bit:

    - Are DMPCs a good idea?
    - Is the Leadership feat broken?
    - My DM plays favorites with his g/f's character!
    Technically, we're looking for reoccuring threads that have no constructive answer and yet are continually argued about. So DMPCs and Leadership would be in, but "DM's Girlfriend" probably wouldn't.

    If I were to make the meta-thread (and I may ) I'd only track the following:

    - Edition Warz
    - Alignment Threads (e.g. Paladin Falls, What Alignment Is X?)
    - Class Warz (e.g. Wizard v. Fighter, Monk v. Wizard)
    - Why The Hate? tm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talya View Post
    Melee combat, T.O.B.
    3rd, Three Point Five, or Four-E
    Wizards, Monks or Sorcerers
    CoDzilla versus Rangers

    Jarlaxle's wide brimmed hat
    Monkey Grip don't work like that
    D&D or Exalted?
    Working as intended?

    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    But it's constantly burning
    As the rounds are turning.
    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    No we didn't light her
    Cause we play a fighter

    Divination - Can we scry?
    Evocation sucks, you'll die
    Enchantment is hard to use
    Illusion is easily abused

    Will this make my Pally fall?
    Can I drop an Iron Wall?
    This game is to much like WoW
    Damage calc from falling cows

    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    But it's constantly burning
    As the rounds are turning.
    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    No we didn't light her
    Cause we play a fighter

    Faerun, Greyhawk, Eberron
    Star Wars Saga will live on
    Creation, or Shadowrun
    Rokugan, maybe Dark Sun

    Can I do this under RAW?
    Good and Evil, Chaos - Law
    Rabid, nasty version wars!
    I can't take it anymore!

    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    But it's constantly burning
    As the rounds are turning.
    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    No we didn't light her
    Cause we play a fighter
    This.... is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    My DM plays favorites with his g/f's character!
    A: Inform him that most girls actually end up with more respect for and attraction to the guys we can't easily wrap around our little finger.

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    Default Re: Monks/Fighters/Wizards/ToB/3.5v4e/3.5vPF Why the hate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    Actually, a couple more topics I've seen quite a bit:

    - Are DMPCs a good idea?
    - Is the Leadership feat broken?
    - My DM plays favorites with his g/f's character!
    Exalted's too anime
    Dragonbloods are often gay
    Small Daiklaives are epic fail
    Hot Bikini Chainmail!

    Should he run DMPCs?
    Leadership is so O.P.
    My DM makes me want to hurl
    Physics slaughters cat-girls.


    Adding to the original.
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    Melee combat, T.O.B.
    3rd, Three Point Five, or Four-E
    Wizards, Monks or Sorcerers
    CoDzilla versus Rangers

    Jarlaxle's wide brimmed hat
    Monkey Grip don't work like that
    D&D or Exalted?
    Working as intended?

    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    But it's constantly burning
    As the rounds are turning.
    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    No we didn't light her
    Cause we play a fighter

    Divination - Can we scry?
    Evocation sucks, you'll die
    Enchantment is hard to use
    Illusion is easily abused

    Will this make my Pally fall?
    Can I drop an Iron Wall?
    This game is to much like WoW
    Damage calc from falling cows

    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    But it's constantly burning
    As the rounds are turning.
    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    No we didn't light her
    Cause we play a fighter

    Faerun, Greyhawk, Eberron
    Star Wars Saga will live on
    Creation, or Shadowrun
    Rokugan, maybe Dark Sun

    Can I do this under RAW?
    Good and Evil, Chaos - Law
    Rabid, nasty version wars!
    I can't take it anymore!

    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    But it's constantly burning
    As the rounds are turning.
    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    No we didn't light her
    Cause we play a fighter
    You..
    *bows*
    You're awesome.

    Edit: Also, when you're done, would you mind sending the whole thing as a PM or something? I'll try to get people singing it
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozgun92 View Post
    You..
    *bows*
    You're awesome.

    Edit: Also, when you're done, would you mind sending the whole thing as a PM or something? I'll try to get people singing it
    I think it's complete, now. Added an extra verse.
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    Default Re: Monks/Fighters/Wizards/ToB/3.5v4e/3.5vPF Why the hate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Talya View Post
    I think it's complete, now. Added an extra verse.
    Compiled version ready in first post. Thanks for the awesomeness!

    Oh, and added a few links to the DMPC and Tier 1 section!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drothmal View Post
    Compiled version ready in first post. Thanks for the awesomeness!

    Oh, and added a few links to the DMPC and Tier 1 section!
    Gotta move the new verse into the middle. "I can't take it anymore!" needs to be the last line of the song other than the chorus.
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    Fixed, thanks!

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    Default Re: Monks/Fighters/Wizards/ToB/3.5v4e/3.5vPF Why the hate?

    Mua ha ha ha! I have returned with MOAR LINKS!

    To be filed under: "Wizards are Brokenly Good/Tier One Might":

    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123832

    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112811

    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111843
    (That last one is a list of all the things you'd have to get through to kill a wizard.)

    To be filed under: "Fighters: Powerless or just right?/Monks: Awesome or Suck?":

    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153628

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    Awesome!!! I added all of them.
    Thanks!

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    Default Re: Monks/Fighters/Wizards/ToB/3.5v4e/3.5vPF Why the hate?

    I haven't seen many truenamer threads lately, but the rarely talked about shadowcaster is becoming more common for some reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Shadowmind View Post
    I haven't seen many truenamer threads lately, but the rarely talked about shadowcaster is becoming more common for some reason.
    I may need another small verse, if only to mention killer gnomes. Actually, it would fit with the pattern of WDSTF anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talya View Post
    Melee combat, T.O.B.
    3rd, Three Point Five, or Four-E
    Wizards, Monks or Sorcerers
    CoDzilla versus Rangers

    Jarlaxle's wide brimmed hat
    Monkey Grip don't work like that
    D&D or Exalted?
    Working as intended?

    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    But it's constantly burning
    As the rounds are turning.
    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    No we didn't light her
    Cause we play a fighter

    Exalted is too anime
    Dragonbloods are often gay
    Small Daiklaives are epic fail
    Hot Bikini Chainmail!

    Should he run DMPCs?
    Leadership is so O.P.
    My DM makes me want to hurl
    Physics slaughters cat-girls.

    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    But it's constantly burning
    As the rounds are turning.
    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    No we didn't light her
    Cause we play a fighter

    Divination - Can we scry?
    Evocation sucks, you'll die
    Enchantment is hard to use
    Illusion's easily abused

    Will this make my Pally fall?
    Can I drop an Iron Wall?
    This game is to much like WoW
    Damage calc from falling cows

    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    But it's constantly burning
    As the rounds are turning.
    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    No we didn't light her
    Cause we play a fighter

    Faerun, Greyhawk, Eberron
    Star Wars Saga will live on
    Creation, or Shadowrun
    Rokugan, maybe Dark Sun

    Can I do this under RAW?
    Good and Evil, Chaos - Law
    Rabid, nasty version wars!
    I can't take it anymore!

    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    But it's constantly burning
    As the rounds are turning.
    We didn't cast the [Fire].
    No we didn't light her
    Cause we play a fighter
    Awesome! Really well done

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    Default Re: Monks/Fighters/Wizards/ToB/3.5v4e/3.5vPF Why the hate?

    I don't have any threads to contribute, but that song is awesome

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    Default Re: Monks/Fighters/Wizards/ToB/3.5v4e/3.5vPF Why the hate?

    I love the song. Talya, you are awesome a lot.

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