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Thread: High Charisma Races?
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2010-11-16, 03:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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High Charisma Races?
Low to no LA and HD preferred. I'm looking for a good race for a charisma-intensive class, preferably without big penalties elsewhere.
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2010-11-16, 03:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Lesser aasimar, from... Players Guide to Faerun, I believe. You can find something similar here.
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2010-11-16, 06:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Master player race list has most (all?) 0 LA, no RHD races.
Sadly, charisma bonus is rather rare. Star Elves, Spirit Hellbred and Spellscales all sport unfortunate -2 con to go with it.Quotes:Praise for avatar may be directed to Derjuin.Spoiler
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2010-11-16, 07:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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I belive Catfolk get a bonus to dex and charisma.
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2010-11-16, 08:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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The Magic-Blooded template gives +2 Cha -2 Wis and is LA +0. It also gives a +2 bonus on Spellcraft and Knowledge: Arcana, 1/day Detect Magic, Read Magic, and a couple other very minor SLAs. Replaces any racial vision with Low-Light vision. Changes your Favored Class to Sorceror, too.
Even though it says to do otherwise, I would have it replace your racial features like Dragonborn do, rather than add to it. No LA +0 template should be so strictly positive.- Chameleon Base Class [3.5]/[PF]: A versatile, morphic class that mimics one basic party role (warrior, caster, sneak, etc) at a time. If you find yourself getting bored of any class you play too long, the Chameleon is for you!
- Warlock Power Sources [3.5]: Making Hellfire Warlock part of the base class and providing other similar options for Warlocks whose powers don't come from devils.
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2010-11-16, 08:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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A standard aasimar (as opposed to the lesser variety mentioned before) gets +2 to both Charisma and Wisdom with only a +1 Level Adjustment. In addition, they get some other bonuses.
Spellscales (Races of the Dragon) get +2 Charisma, -2 Constitution for no Level Adjustment.
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2010-11-16, 09:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Killoren: Although they lack an ability score adjustment, once per hour (up to your Cha bonus times per day) you can Smite (Cha to-hit, hit dice to damage) any aberration, construct, humanoid, ooze, outsider, or undead. The bonus is untyped, and can be improved with the Killoren Smite feat (Save or Daze). You also have the Fey type, which opens up some Alter Self shenanigans. Races of the Wild pg 102.
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2010-11-16, 09:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Planetouched, I think it might be your best choice.
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2010-11-16, 10:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-11-16, 12:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Which book was Magic Blooded in? It sounds great, but I don't remember seeing that one...
Probably going for lesser aasimar or spellscale; I'll need to review the full descriptions and maybe find some templates to add. Catfolk are a D&D wiki homebrew, IIRC, so they might not be allowed.Last edited by Sindri; 2010-11-16 at 12:37 PM.
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2010-11-16, 12:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Magic-Blooded is in some Dragon Magazine. Can't recall which off-hand. And yeah, Lesser Aasimar is a fine choice. I personally like Star Elves 'cause "ZOMGELVES!" but meh.
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2010-11-16, 01:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Magic-Blooded is from Dragon Magazine 306.
- Chameleon Base Class [3.5]/[PF]: A versatile, morphic class that mimics one basic party role (warrior, caster, sneak, etc) at a time. If you find yourself getting bored of any class you play too long, the Chameleon is for you!
- Warlock Power Sources [3.5]: Making Hellfire Warlock part of the base class and providing other similar options for Warlocks whose powers don't come from devils.
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2010-11-16, 01:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Mephlings from the Planar handbook get -2 int, +2 cha and another +2 based off their elemental type. That and a few other goodies for +1 LA. Catfolk are likely stronger for the +1 LA though.
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2010-11-16, 01:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Catfolk also get an exclusive feat, Catfolk Pounce! You can full attack on a charge if your target happens to be flat-footed.
Yeah, Catfolk are pretty underwhelming as a LA +1 race.- Chameleon Base Class [3.5]/[PF]: A versatile, morphic class that mimics one basic party role (warrior, caster, sneak, etc) at a time. If you find yourself getting bored of any class you play too long, the Chameleon is for you!
- Warlock Power Sources [3.5]: Making Hellfire Warlock part of the base class and providing other similar options for Warlocks whose powers don't come from devils.
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2010-11-16, 01:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Unseelie Fey template from the Dragon Compendium
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2010-11-16, 03:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Any DM that allows LA buyoff for a normal Aasimar but doesn't allow a lesser Aasimar is crazy. In such situations, the normal one is almost strictly superior, due to better type, proficiencies, lacking the "counts as both" feature lesser Aasimars suffer, and the fact that XP is a river.
In the case of no buyoff......I'd argue that Aasimar is already over-costed and shouldn't be LA +1 to begin with.
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2010-11-16, 03:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-11-16, 04:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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The details should also be in the 3.0 templates on Crystalkeep.
Races with a Cha bonus:
Lesser Aasimar (Player's Guide to Faerun)
Savage Progression Aasimar (WotC article)
Star Elf (Unapproachable East)
Spellscale (Races of the Dragon)
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2010-11-16, 04:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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I always give half-elves =2 to Cha and -2 to wis (they are very impulsive)
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2010-11-16, 05:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Indeed...also, originally from the Miniatures Handbook.
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Yes, this always struck me as an oversight...the errata fixed some other CR/LA discrepancies in the templates, but didn't mention Unseelie Fey. Should be a minimum +1 LA IMHO...Last edited by Thurbane; 2010-11-16 at 05:06 PM.
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2010-11-16, 05:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Draconic Creature template (RotD p.74) is not too bad: +2 STR, +2 COn and +2 CHA (among other things) for LA +1.
If you throw it on one of the +2 CHA -2 CON races above, you can get +2 STR and +4 CHA for LA +1.My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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2010-11-16, 05:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Primordial Magic-Blooded Half-Giant (LA +1):
-2 Str, -2 Dex, +4 Int, -2 Wis, +6 Cha
Add Phrenic (LA +2) for +6 Int, +10 Cha.Handbooks:
Shax's Indispensable Haversack, TWF OffHandbook
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2010-11-16, 06:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-11-16, 06:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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The highlighted part is srong on both counts. Unseelie Fey template lists the following:
- LA: +0 (in Dragon Compendium on page 222)
- CR: +1 (in the Errata for the book)
Last edited by Curmudgeon; 2010-11-16 at 06:31 PM.
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Karsites from Tome of Magic also have a +2 to Cha and Con, but they can't be spellcasters... They do get spell resistance, spell healing, and magic draining attack however, and a bonus feat, and bonus skill points like humans do.
LA +2 however, but I like 'em.
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