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    Default [4E] D&D Virtual Table Top from WotC

    Huh...so remember in the back of all the original 4th Edition books, there was a listing for a virtual table top so that you could play online with people? It looked really cool, but never actually saw the light of day; and eventually became a joke that people used to poke fun at WotC.

    Apparently, it actually is going to exist.

    http://community.wizards.com/go/thre..._Virtual_Table

    http://wizards.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...p?p_faqid=2128


    Color me shocked.


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    here's some thoughts on the Beta by ThaddeusC
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    I'm in favor of anything that increases digitization of D&D

    So thumbs up to WotC for not letting this die!

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    I wouldn't use this, myself - I like having a physical game board.

    Also, given the backlash about how buggy, badly interfaced, and incomplete the new character builder allegedly is, I'm not at all sure I trust WOTC to make a working game table.

    (edit) I like that they've avoided Silverlight for this one, even though for some reason it still won't run on Linux. However, I dislike that it's not compatible with character builder or the upcoming monster builder.
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    Didn't someone recently post a video of a similar item? Sort of a big ipad programmed for D&D?

    Anyway, that thing's only for 4E right? And only allows official rules, no homebrew? I'll pass twice over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurald Galain View Post
    However, I dislike that it's not compatible with character builder or the upcoming monster builder.
    Hopefully that's just a temporary thing.

    I'd like to see how customizable it is in terms of houserules. For instance, can I just use this with 'core' D&D classes or can I use my own modified class/items/whatever.

    I too prefer the physical, but sometimes that isn't always convenient.

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    Great Ioun preserve us! Is this for real?

    Well, WOTC, you are making me love you more and more. First Essentials, now this? I think 4E may be my favorite edition of D&D, and when you have 2e with Planescape to compete with, that's saying something.

    Also, the web-based Character Builder has had a buggy launch, but one of the advantages of a web-based builder is that you don't have to download patches and stuff to FIX those errors. They can just fix it on their own servers, and it ripples out to us from there pretty much instantly. Looks like the virtual table will do something similar; guess WOTC's really trying hard to fight program piracy here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by herrhauptmann View Post
    Didn't someone recently post a video of a similar item? Sort of a big ipad programmed for D&D?
    That was a class project a bunch of university students did on the Microsoft Surface. (From MIT, I believe) The Microsoft Surface is fantastically amazing, but costs US$6,000-10,000, so not really practical.

    I'm assuming that this will eventually be integrated with the CB and eventually whatever version of the Monster builder that ends up online.

    I'll be interested to see how homebrew is integrated into the CB/VT and other online tools.


    At any rate, I'm looking forward to finding out more info on this. It's far too early to make any judgements, so I can't really say if this is something I'll be using or not

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    In 10 years the youth will grow up thinking that d&d was always meant to be played virtually.

    Looks cool though, could come in handy. Hopefully it actually works well with editions other than 4th.
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    So they are actually going to do this this time?
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    I wouldn't use this, myself - I like having a physical game board.
    Ditto, just like I don't use the character builder because I'd rather use the books.
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    Also, given the backlash about how buggy, badly interfaced, and incomplete the new character builder allegedly is, I'm not at all sure I trust WOTC to make a working game table.
    I wouldn't trust WotC to design their way out of a wet paper bag, personally. They're really screwing the pooch with all this stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozreth View Post
    In 10 years the youth will grow up thinking that d&d was always meant to be played virtually.

    Looks cool though, could come in handy. Hopefully it actually works well with editions other than 4th.
    From the Q&A...

    Q: What versions of D&D is the VT designed to be used with?
    A: The character and monster information storage portion of the VT is set up to be used in 4th edition Dungeons and Dragons. The rest of the tools can be used with any edition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsmiles View Post
    I wouldn't trust WotC to design their way out of a wet paper bag, personally. They're really screwing the pooch with all this stuff.
    They did a decent job with MTGO in-house. (It's not the prettiest program around, but when you consider how complex a Magic game can get it was really well-done.) Though I hope they can get Stainless to overhaul MODO to look more like Duels of the Planeswalkers at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyren View Post
    They did a decent job with MTGO in-house. (It's not the prettiest program around, but when you consider how complex a Magic game can get it was really well-done.) Though I hope they can get Stainless to overhaul MODO to look more like Duels of the Planeswalkers at some point.
    Of course they did a good job on a MTG product. It's their primary line, you know.
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    Pretty soon it will be Dungeons and Dragons: The Collectible Card Game and Gamma World: The Collectible Card Game!
    A toy line would be more likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsmiles View Post
    Of course they did a good job on a MTG product. It's their primary line, you know.
    Look at the way 4e is: Power Cards!
    Look at the way Gamma World is: Power Cards and Booster Packs!
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    A toy line would be more likely.
    That was covered in the 80s by TSR. WotC would never do something that TSR did. Just look at the conversions from 2e to 3e:

    2e: AC 10 - -10.
    3e: AC 0 - 20.

    2e: NWPs Roll under.
    3e: Skills Roll over.

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    Not to mention, D&D toys would alienate the 18-34s Hasbro is currently aiming at.

    On topic: the idea behind this seems to be to get more than one person per playgroup signed up for DDI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hzurr;9792283[url
    http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/26286405/The_Dungeons__Dragons_Virtual_Table[/url]

    http://wizards.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...p?p_faqid=2128
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    After the service WotC hasn't been giving us the past few months, I'll believe it when I see it. It'd be cool if it were real, but right now I only trust WotC slightly farther than I can throw a cheesecake underwater.
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    Which reminds me...

    Has any of you checked d20pro?

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    You do know it's coming out, right?

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    You do know it's coming out, right?
    You're not actually buying that, are you? It's been coming out for half my life!

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    A toy line would be more likely.
    Nope. CCG. It's what WotC knows best, after all. If they thought they could make money by packaging random splatbooks in foil wrappers, they'd jump at it.
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    You're not actually buying that, are you? It's been coming out for half my life!
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    I think this would be a great tool. However, I am firmly in the "I'll believe it when I see it" crowd.
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    Not to mention, D&D toys would alienate the 18-34s Hasbro is currently aiming at.
    Somehow I doubt that. They already make DnD toys. They're called miniatures, and they come in random booster packs (for those that actually use pre-painted plastic minis).
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    On topic: the idea behind this seems to be to get more than one person per playgroup signed up for DDI.
    Exactly. More money for the evil corporations.
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    Somehow I doubt that. They already make DnD toys. They're called miniatures, and they come in random booster packs (for those that actually use pre-painted plastic minis).
    Miniatures are not toys, they are tools.
    Also, they don't come in booster packs anymore, they come in non-randomized sets.

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    Miniatures are not toys, they are tools.
    That's what they all say.
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