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    My campaign setting has a high degree of Fey involvement and I always encourage players to play as Fey, however, the LA is simply too crazy on most fey (or even non-playable at all) for the PC's to really want to do this.
    What I'm looking for is tips on how to create LA +0 or LA +1 playable races out of core 3.5 Monster Manual races. My example has been the Nymph since it has a good example of crazy broken abilities and stat adjustments which would need to be fixed in order to play it.

    What I was thinking was giving a +4 Cha, -2 Wis, -2 Con, keeping only the Stunning Glance and Unearthly Grace abilities and the Swim skill bonus, using FC: Druid. for a LA +0

    If enough people think this is fair then I'm going to keep creating races like this. If I'm over/underpowering anything, please let me know.
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    Let's see if I can break this down point by point.

    • -2 Con: That's a pretty hefty penalty.
    • -2 Wis: Ooh, another save reduced.
    • +4 Cha: Well, I guess they could be pretty tough sorcerers/bards/paladins, but charisma is the weakest stat, I guess that's okay.
    • Stunning Glance: At will stun with a Charisma-based DC holy crap.
    • Unearthly Grace: Charisma to saves and AC oh my god this is the best sorcerer race this better have a pretty high—
    • LA+0: What is this I don't even


    So, no, I don't really think it's balanced as is. At the bare minimum, Unearthly Grace needs to be turned down or probably changed completely/dropped outright.
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    Well, I was hoping that unearthly grace would balance out with the -2 con, -2 wis since two saves are nerfed by it, but it is quite strong. how about this then...

    +4 Cha, -2 Con, -4 Wis
    Stunning Glance 1/day
    Unearthly Grace (but not on AC)
    LA +0

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    That's better, certainly. I'm not sure it meets the exact balance point for LA+0 (which is humans, as far as I'm concerned). But it might be there, and it's probably not above LA+1 ... maybe you should make Stunning Glance a scaling ability (ergo raptoran flight), have it start with Daze and move up to Stun, then multiple uses per day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gkathellar View Post
    So, no, I don't really think it's balanced as is. At the bare minimum, Unearthly Grace needs to be turned down or probably changed completely/dropped outright.
    I disagree. Compared to what dwarves or humans get, It's not really all that powerful. I think it would make for a very weak LA+1 race, so I'd say that LA+0 is fine. The litmus test is this: Are all the benefits combined equal to a level in a class? Does it compare favorably to a class level, with everything that entails: a hit die, a possible BAB boost, save bonuses, possible spell level progression, & other class features? Measured against all that, these bonuses aren't impressive, & therefore LA+0 is appropriate.

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    Except that you need a minimum of two class levels to nab charisma to saves and AC, assuming PrCs which you have to meet requirements for, or three four base class levels and a feat - and in almost all those cases, you would need light or no armor to get Cha to AC. That seems as if it's clearly LA+1-2.
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    Alright, in an attempt to reduce the power of the Nymph, while still retaining the flavor and a degree of the unique capabilities, I've gone with this.

    Nymph
    Fey type
    +4 Cha, -2 Con, -4 Wis
    Medium Size
    Speed: 30ft.
    Dazzling Beauty (Su): Nymphs are exquisitely beautiful creatures and can, as a standard action, make a gaze attack in a 30ft. cone. All targets must succeed a will save or be dazzled for 2d4 rounds. The save DC is 10 + the Nymph’s Charisma bonus.
    Unearthly Grace (Su): Nymphs are beings of extraordinary grace and so gain a bonus to all saves equal to their charisma modifier.
    Automatic Languages: Sylvan, Bonus Languages: Common, Terran, Auran, Aquan, Elven.
    Favored Class: Druid
    Level Adjustment: +0

    I've also begun a few more fey based on this same balance level. I agree that the Dwarf is on par with these, though the Dwarf is the highest end of LA +0 I believe. I'd like to keep them on par with Elves if possible. That is to say I want them to be strong, but only in the right situations. (After all, an elf swordsman wizard fighting an enchanter is broken as hell, but an elf fighter fighting an evoker is not.)

    Centaur
    Fey type
    +2 Str, +2 Dex, -4 Cha, -4 Int
    Large Size: -1 AC, -1 Atk, -4 Stealth, +4 Grapple, lifting/carrying limits double normal
    Space/Reach: 10 ft./5 ft.
    Spd: 50 ft.
    +3 Natural Armor
    Endurance as the feat
    Automatic Languages: Sylvan, Bonus Languages: Common, Elven, Terran, Aquan, Goblin, Gnome.
    Favored Class: Ranger
    Level Adjustment +0

    Dryad
    Fey type
    +2 Dex, +2 Cha, -4 Wis
    Medium Size
    Speed: 40 ft.
    +1 Natural Armor
    Meld with Tree (Su): Dryads are supernaturally connected to trees and can meld into any tree her size or larger just as the spell Meld into Stone Cast by a Cleric of the Dryad’s CL.
    Treewalk (Su): A Dryad with a wisdom score of at least 15 can use Tree Stride as the Druid spell a number of times per day equal to her wisdom modifier as a spell-like ability.
    Tree Dependency (Su): Dryads, due to their supernatural connection to trees, cannot venture far from wooded areas. A Dryad who journeys more than 30 miles from trees takes 1d4 Con damage every 6 hours. A Dryad reduced to 0 Constitution in this way dies and her body withers away. All that remains is a seed which, if planted, grows into a mighty tree with a new Dryad within it. Whole forests have begun this way.
    Favored Class: Druid
    Level Adjustment: +0

    The Centaur is merely a fey version of the MM3.5 centaur with weaker bonuses to reduce the LA. The Dryad is a completely new version of Dryad with a connection to trees in general rather than a specific tree. I'm a little concerned about giving both Meld with Tree and Treewalk to a race, but the Tree Dependency feature could be extremely limiting to an adventuring Dryad. The balance of the Dryad and the playability of a Tree Dependent creature concerns me.

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    A few additional fey for your consumption...

    Aranellan Elf
    Fey type
    +2 Dex, -2 Int
    Medium size
    Speed: 30 ft.
    Immunity to sleep spells and effects, +2 racial saving throw bonus against enchantment spells and effects.
    Low-Light Vision
    Elven Weapon Proficiency: longsword, rapier, longbow, composite longbow, shortbow, composite shortbow.
    +2 Listen, Search, Spot
    Detect Secret Doors 5 ft.
    Automatic Languages: Common, Elven, Bonus Languages: Draconic, Gnoll, Gnome, Goblin, Orc, Sylvan
    Favored Class: Sorcerer

    Satyr
    Fey type
    +2 Dex, +2 Con, +2 Cha, -4 Wis
    Medium Size
    Speed: 40 ft.
    Low-Light Vision
    Natural Weapons: Head Butt (1d6/x2)
    +4 Perform (Pan Pipes)
    Automatic Languages: Sylvan, Bonus Languages: Common, Elven, Gnome
    Favored Class: Bard

    Sprite
    Fey type
    +2 Dex, +2 Int, +4 Cha, -4 Wis
    Small Size: (+1 AC, +1 Attack, +4 Stealth, -4 Grapple, Lifting/Carrying ¾ normal)
    Speed: 20 ft., Fly 60 ft. (average)
    Low-Light Vision
    +2 Perception
    Automatic Languages: Sylvan, Bonus Languages: Common, Elven, Gnome
    Favored Class: Sorcerer

    Will-O-Wisp
    Fey type
    +2 Dex, -4 Str, -2 Con
    Small Size: (+1 AC, +1 Attack, +4 Stealth, -4 Grapple, Lifting/Carrying ¾ normal)
    Speed: Fly 30 ft. (perfect)
    +2 racial saving throw bonus against spells and spell-like abilities
    Energy Resistance 5 against Shock damage
    Darkvision 60 ft.
    Invisibility 1/day as spell cast by a Sorcerer of the Will-O-Wisp’s CL
    Luminous Body (Su): A Will-O-Wisp gives off a faint glow any time it is not invisible. It provides shadowy illumination out to 20 ft.
    Favored Class: Sorcerer

    Piper (Half-Satyr/Half-Elf)
    Fey type
    +2 Dex, +2 Cha, -2 Wis
    Medium Size
    Speed: 40 ft.
    Low-Light Vision
    +2 Perform (pan pipes)
    +2 racial saving throw bonus against enchantment spells and effects
    Automatic Languages: Sylvan, Elven, Bonus Langauges: Common, Terran, Gnome
    Favored Class: Bard
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    a negative to wisdom doesn't make much sense, fey are very in tune creatures with strong personalities and very sharp minds, though not necessarily book smart. That's the way i see, just my 2 cents.
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    a negative to wisdom doesn't make much sense, fey are very in tune creatures with strong personalities and very sharp minds, though not necessarily book smart. That's the way i see, just my 2 cents.
    Y'know, I had thought about that, but aside from Con, nothing else seems like something a fey would lose, and since fey are supposed to be flighty and chaotic creatures I figured a Wis penalty would make more players willing to try them out than a Con loss. After all, a con loss on a race that leans most towards casters just sucks if you do it too often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strormer View Post
    Y'know, I had thought about that, but aside from Con, nothing else seems like something a fey would lose, and since fey are supposed to be flighty and chaotic creatures I figured a Wis penalty would make more players willing to try them out than a Con loss. After all, a con loss on a race that leans most towards casters just sucks if you do it too often.
    Str, Int, Con, some even do have a Wis penalty, but a Wis Penalty doesn't fit the Nymph or Dryad, maybe Int or Str

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    Your Will'o'wisp version if very powerful and with perfect flight from level 1, you're looking at a headache there. Also, I find the idea of them wielding swords intruiging as a DM but oddly hillarious as an artist.

    I have a pair of PC races in my Fae-o-matic thread below, one of which was a request for the Will-o-wisp.
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    Speaking of the Ghostlight, what is the Siren feat? It says they get it as a bonus feat, but I can't find it.

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    stupid copy-pasting errors...

    Look in the Gwyllion entry and i'll paste it over in the meantime...

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