760.000 gp for balor (3.5)

[Balor01]

So, our generic balor, a creatue of INT 24 and WIS 24, leader of wast demonic armies realized he is no match for lvl 10 wizard and decided to troll the little fella by accumulating 760.000 gp (an easy task for such an overlord) and equip himself.

What would you buy for a guy of his size if he decides that worpal sword and flaming whip are for puss***?

Pimp my balor (with something DM-friendly if possible. Not ten dozen items who produce 1200 different effects)

tnx

[molten_dragon]

So, our generic balor, a creatue of INT 24 and WIS 24, leader of wast demonic armies realized he is no match for lvl 10 wizard and decided to troll the little fella by accumulating 760.000 gp (an easy task for such an overlord) and equip himself.

What would you buy for a guy of his size if he decides that worpal sword and flaming whip are for puss***?

Pimp my balor (with something DM-friendly if possible. Not ten dozen items who produce 1200 different effects)

tnx

Unless that wizard is extremely heavily optimized, the balor is going to be more than a match for him. Balors are nasty.

In fact, I could almost categorically state that unless said wizard is using TO-type cheese, the balor will win the fight something like 99% of the time.

[Halae]

Unless that wizard is extremely heavily optimized, the balor is going to be more than a match for him. Balors are nasty.

In fact, I could almost categorically state that unless said wizard is using TO-type cheese, the balor will win the fight something like 99% of the time.

yeah. I may have a way for a red wizard to deal over 400d6 damage with a fireball, but that's some incredibly stinky cheddar right there. The average Balor is a tough challenge for an entire group of level 20 PCs. my suggestion is simple - no tossing such things at anything below a level 16 group, not some poor mal-prepared wizard

[Gnaritas]

yeah. I may have a way for a red wizard to deal over 400d6 damage with a fireball, but that's some incredibly stinky cheddar right there. The average Balor is a tough challenge for an entire group of level 20 PCs. my suggestion is simple - no tossing such things at anything below a level 16 group, not some poor mal-prepared wizard

You do realise the Balor is immune to fire damage right ;)

<edit> yes i know there are options to fix this, but still why not just pick a spell that deals cold damage as an example.

[Emmerask]

Cowl of Warding (Magic of Faerun) ~ 200k gp

freedom of movement and mind blank and turns 6 levels of spells / day

In addition I would take something that gives the balor force ward, then you have a pretty mean fellow ^^

A ring of mirror image and greater blink on top to surely kill your party with him (or at least make them run away )

[Psyren]

You do realise the Balor is immune to fire damage right ;)

<edit> yes i know there are options to fix this, but still why not just pick a spell that deals cold damage as an example.

A lot of people forget this since demons aren't normally immune to fire. But Balors are... exceptional.

[Chilingsworth]

I don't really think balors need any upgrading. Now, if you want to "pimp" him, why not just give him a bunch of succubi (or inccubi, if you'd prefer those)?

[CockroachTeaParty]

Yeah, I really don't see a level 10 wizard getting past a good spamming of Blasphemy, barring either access to powerful items, or liberal use of Silence and Silent Spell. And even then, that's just negating one of a balor's many, many, deadly options.

[Mordokai]

I don't really think balors need any upgrading. Now, if you want to "pimp" him, why not just give him a bunch of succubi (or inccubi, if you'd prefer those)?

A pimp balor? Hmmmm...

This has potential

[Johel]

Magic Armor+5 of Greater Energy Resistance (Cold)
81.000
Greater Ring of Energy Resistance (Acid)
44.000
Cloak of Charisma +6
36.000

That's a start

[Psyren]

I don't really think balors need any upgrading. Now, if you want to "pimp" him, why not just give him a bunch of succubi (or inccubi, if you'd prefer those)?

Your sensitivity towards alternate-lifestyle balors fills my black and callused heart with joy

[Doug Lampert]

Magic Armor+5 of Greater Energy Resistance (Cold)
81.000
Greater Ring of Energy Resistance (Acid)
44.000
Cloak of Charisma +6
36.000

That's a start

Note that the armor should be a mithral shirt. You want to keep total weight under 50lb so he can still greater teleport at will.

There's no reason to waste a ring on acid resistance, you can add as many Greater Energy resistances to the armor as you like and save the ring slots for something better. Also throw etherealness on the armor, only 49,000 GP and it allows you to let the party THINK you have teleported out...

Remember to throw in a +1 bracers of armor with the special property of Heavy Fortification. Immunity to crits and rogues for only 36,000 GP.

A tome for +4 more to Cha for only 110,000 GP is golden (anything that adds to Cha adds to save DCs).

Buy something cheap but fancy looking that you can give to the second balor that you can automatically summon for an hour! That way the party will Gak the wrong target and you can teleport out.

Ring of counterspells: 4000 GP.
Dimensional Anchor cast into it: 280 GP
Look on adventurer's face when he identifies the correct Balor to target, hits your touch AC of 20 or more (unholy aura should always be up, it's 20 without ANYTHING but this and your default stuff), overcomes your 28 SR, and then you teleport out anyway: Priceless.

Remember that you have UMD 31 (33 for scrolls), and thus can use almost any item with 100% reliability (UMD does not autofail on a 1).

DougL

[Deth Muncher]

Your sensitivity towards alternate-lifestyle balors fills my black and callused heart with joy

I'm very glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read this, or I would have spat it out from chuckling.

[Yora]

It's not a lifestyle! *rant*

[AyeGill]

I don't really think balors need any upgrading. Now, if you want to "pimp" him, why not just give him a bunch of succubi (or inccubi, if you'd prefer those)?

This right here. This is awesome. This is the kinda stuff that is the source of all awesome in the universe.

[Yora]

Well, there always is Graz'zt!

*swoon*

[The Glyphstone]

Aren't succubi and incubi the same thing anyways, what with at-will Polymorph?

[Yora]

Depends on interpretation. The Monster Manual says nothing on that, but there's a fiend called incubus, I believe in one of the last issues of Dragon or Dungeon.
But since they were introduced more than 30 years after the more iconic demons, I like to ignore them.

[arguskos]

Well, there always is Graz'zt!

*swoon*

Something like that.

[Mordokai]

Well, there always is Graz'zt!

*swoon*

I'm more of a Malcanthet person myself

[Eldariel]

Depends on interpretation. The Monster Manual says nothing on that, but there's a fiend called incubus, I believe in one of the last issues of Dragon or Dungeon.
But since they were introduced more than 30 years after the more iconic demons, I like to ignore them.

Incubi are the original version of the demons though, from the shades of history. Succubi are just more popular in the modern times for...err, whatever reasons.

[AyeGill]

Aren't succubi and incubi the same thing anyways, what with at-will Polymorph?

Personally, i like to think that incubus/succubus is just the gender specification for that species. AkA, they have identical stats, but that doesn't mean its the same(an incubus might have a hard time seducing males, and vice versa for succubi).

[Psyren]

Mmm, Dispater... especially the BoVD version...

...What were we talking about?

Aren't succubi and incubi the same thing anyways, what with at-will Polymorph?

"Honey, I'm a shapeshifter. It's not like we never tried-"
"Not helping!"

[woodenbandman]

Balor vs: level 10 wizard

step 1: Buy scroll of Wish
step 2: Hire rogue to UMD said scroll
step 3: Wizard is dead.

[The Glyphstone]

Mmm, Dispater... especially the BoVD version...

...What were we talking about?



"Honey, I'm a shapeshifter. It's not like we never tried-"
"Not helping!"

I wanted to link to that, but couldn't find it in time.

[Akal Saris]

A belt of magnificence +6 is 200k and grants +6 to all stats. Nice, simple, useful (especially if the wizard tries to do stat damage). Add in a cowl of warding, a ring of evasion, and a ring of spell turning, and that Balor's starting to get pretty pimped.

[Psyren]

I wanted to link to that, but couldn't find it in time.

Neither could I until this very moment

[Urpriest]

Am I the first person to wonder why this balor appears to be a wascally wabbit?

[Johel]

Note that the armor should be a mithral shirt. You want to keep total weight under 50lb so he can still greater teleport at will.

There's no reason to waste a ring on acid resistance, you can add as many Greater Energy resistances to the armor as you like and save the ring slots for something better. Also throw etherealness on the armor, only 49,000 GP and it allows you to let the party THINK you have teleported out...

Remember to throw in a +1 bracers of armor with the special property of Heavy Fortification. Immunity to crits and rogues for only 36,000 GP.

A tome for +4 more to Cha for only 110,000 GP is golden (anything that adds to Cha adds to save DCs).

Buy something cheap but fancy looking that you can give to the second balor that you can automatically summon for an hour! That way the party will Gak the wrong target and you can teleport out.

Ring of counterspells: 4000 GP.
Dimensional Anchor cast into it: 280 GP
Look on adventurer's face when he identifies the correct Balor to target, hits your touch AC of 20 or more (unholy aura should always be up, it's 20 without ANYTHING but this and your default stuff), overcomes your 28 SR, and then you teleport out anyway: Priceless.

That seems a VERY GOOD start now.
Who can improve this ?

Remember that you have UMD 31 (33 for scrolls), and thus can use almost any item with 100% reliability (UMD does not autofail on a 1).

DougL

Yeah... So that's a lot of Wish scrolls.
And a big smirk when the Wizard is teleported in pyjama right in front of you, with unprepared spells and no equipment.

[Eldariel]

Wish Scroll is one of the few things they can fail on; DC = 20+CL or 37 minimum for 9th level spells. If you get him a Circlet of Persuasion, however, that +3 is barely enough to put him on succeeds-on-1 level for said Scrolls. Disjunction is a good spell to keep in the back pocket. Only has one CL-dependent component anyways and that's not important much of the time (breaching AMFs and breaking artifacts).

He prolly wants Handy Haversack anyways, for handy stuff. Like scrolls and such. He should very probably have Freedom of Movement and Greater Fortifications on his Armor and Ring, respectively. And Ring of Evasion can't hurt. Hand of Glory gets him an extra Ring-slot for Ring of Spell-Battle (for example). Really, outsiders are rather well-rounded and don't need all that much help from items. You obviously want Con +6 on him. And Resistances +5. And Dex +6 for good measure; movement speed is good. Also probably some source of Deflection-bonus to armor, and quite possibly Monk's Belt; having a Touch AC in the 50s would be incredibly convenient as it makes hitting with just True Strike hard. He also has Telekinesis at will with the delicious ability to Quicken it so Portable Hole or some such full of nasty, big swords with various abilities to hurl with the spell could work.


If using other sources...well, Anklets of Translocation (or in general, swift action movement) is v. good, Belt of Battle is golden, Death Warding Armor can be convenient, and Ring of Spell-Battle is always good fun. All of those, except for Death Warding, are in Magic Item Compendium. Death Ward is from Player's Guide to Faerun. Oh yeah, and Collar of Umbral Metamorphosis [Tome of Magic] would give him Hide in Plain Sight which is quite good with a Balor's modifiers.