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    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    Devil

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    Default Dragon Compendium Ability Enhancer uses

    The feat says

    Any transmutation spell you cast that enhances ability scores increases the ability scores by +2 more than it normally does

    Does this only apply to enhancement or any modifications to ability scores, such as enlarge person or giant size?

    Likewise would a penalty be increased by 2 as well?

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    Ettin in the Playground
     
    MonkGuy

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    Default Re: Dragon Compendium Ability Enhancer uses

    Considering "enhances" isn't a defined term, I think we fall to the rules of English here; That is, enhance = increase/make better = any time you boost a target's stats, including via Enlarge Person, that boost gets better.

    As to when you reduce said stats... enhance and reduce are two different things. Even if they weren't, you're still going to take the reduction and add +2 to it; If you used anti-bulls-strength for instance, enhancing the reduction wouldn't give -6 strength, it'd give -2. Regardless, I'd say that no, it doesn't affect reductions.
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    Default Re: Dragon Compendium Ability Enhancer uses

    Agreed with Quietus. Ability Enhancer makes any Transmutation spell that gives you a bonus to your ability scores give you an extra +2. Note that animalistic power is a crazy spell with Ability Enhancer (one of my favorite Cleric feats; makes being the buffer way more fun).

    And no, enhance=/=reduce in English, so Ability Enhancer doesn't touch reductions.

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    Default Re: Dragon Compendium Ability Enhancer uses

    Quote Originally Posted by Matamane View Post
    Does this only apply to enhancement or any modifications to ability scores, such as enlarge person or giant size?
    Raw? Yes, but Raw is broken and contradictory.

    RAI? The designers assumed you are stupidly overpowered PHB races (yes LA+0 races are the most powerful in the end) who are conveniently medium size. So they used the size table (but failed) and generate those... almost correct values.

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    Titan in the Playground
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    Default Re: Dragon Compendium Ability Enhancer uses

    Devil's Advocate: I could easily see a reading implying that only spells that grant an enhancement bonus are applicable.
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    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    Devil

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    Default Re: Dragon Compendium Ability Enhancer uses

    True enough. but I am working with a persisted array of spells so I am cool with it.

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    RedWizardGuy

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    Default Re: Dragon Compendium Ability Enhancer uses

    Well, I always thought that feat could have some cool Uses

    I want to get a list of good spells to use that feat on, Besides Animalistic power and the typical enhancers like bull's strenght and cat's grace which other ones could be included?

    and more importantly... which ones can be persisted?

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    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    Devil

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    Default Re: Dragon Compendium Ability Enhancer uses

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