3 extra lives a day?

[Morithias]

In complete arcane there is the "Innate spell" feat, that lets you sacrifice a spell slot permanently to gain 3 uses of a certain spell of that level a day as a spell-like ability.

In savage there's the "supernatural transformation" feat that lets you treat a spell-like ability as a supernatural one 3 times a day.

So if you were to say, use the Ur-priest or something to get true resurrection before level 15, and then take innate spell at 15, and supernatural transformation at 18.

Does that mean you could now bring your allies back from the dead at no penalty 3/day as a standard action? Because the srd says "unless noted otherwise a supernatural ability is a standard action" (paraphrasing)

[DragonOfUndeath]

why spend 2 feats and a spell slot for that? Why not just buy an item of True Rez that can only be used by {Insert your race}

[Ernir]

Uh, what version of the feat are you reading? Innate Spell says "One spell slot eight levels higher than the innate spell is permanently used" which means that you're going to have to get yourself a 17th level slot to get Innate True Resurrections. Do you have that?

[Runestar]

The OP is likely using the PGTF version of innate spell, which would technically be superseded by the CA version.

Seems doable (and nothing new really). Ur-priests could be stealing wishes from genies (and using them to replicate resurrection), dweomerkeepers have been throwing around wishes like nobody's business.

Not sure about the casting time part though.

[true_shinken]

Supernatural Transformation only works for racial spell-like abilities.

[gbprime]

Supernatural Transformation only works for racial spell-like abilities.

Yeah, there were a lot of seriously depressed Warlocks when THAT one came out.

[PairO'Dice Lost]

Supernatural Transformation only works for racial spell-like abilities.

Technically, it works for "innate" SLAs, so while that wouldn't work for Innate Spell I don't see any reason why a warlock who sold his soul to get his abilities (or whatever) shouldn't be able to use it. Whether you interpret "innate" the same way as the Right Honorable Skip "let's hose warlocks even more!" Williams is up to you.

[Flickerdart]

Why isn't an SLA gained with Innate Spell an innate SLA? It's right in the name, after all.

[gbprime]

Whether you interpret "innate" the same way as the Right Honorable Skip "let's hose warlocks even more!" Williams is up to you.

Skip's just jealous. People like Warlock more than his precious sorcerer. "Face of the party" indeed. Harumph.

[Godskook]

Uh, what version of the feat are you reading? Innate Spell says "One spell slot eight levels higher than the innate spell is permanently used" which means that you're going to have to get yourself a 17th level slot to get Innate True Resurrections. Do you have that?

Metamagic reducers, especially divine ones, are easy enough to come by.

[true_shinken]

Skip's just jealous. People like Warlock more than his precious sorcerer. "Face of the party" indeed. Harumph.

Man, that made me laugh. I'd sig if I had the room.

[Vistella]

can you use the incanatrix feature with innate spell? so few times per day without the slotincrease?
would make wizards incredible powerfull (every spell known as SLA and such)^^

ok, trash that, innate spell isnt a metamagic feat -.-

[imperialspectre]

Skip's just jealous. People like Warlock more than his precious sorcerer. "Face of the party" indeed. Harumph.

<.< >.>

Yeah, Skip loves sorcerers. That's why he pulled the "sorcerers can't Quicken Spell without a full-round action" BS out of thin air back in 3.0 and made sure it got into the 3.5 PHB.

I'm pretty sure that the 3.5 PHB authors and the Complete Warrior authors hated everyone except Wizards, Clerics, and Druids. That would explain why almost everyone else lost tricks from 3.0 to 3.5 and Druids and Shapechange got buffed.

[Keinnicht]

<.< >.>

Yeah, Skip loves sorcerers. That's why he pulled the "sorcerers can't Quicken Spell without a full-round action" BS out of thin air back in 3.0 and made sure it got into the 3.5 PHB.

That's the most idiotic rule I've ever heard. What kind of moron could say that with a straight face?

[true_shinken]

That's the most idiotic rule I've ever heard. What kind of moron could say that with a straight face?

Well, it makes sense. Sorcerers need a full-round action to cast metamagic'ed spells.

[The Glyphstone]

Well, it makes sense. Sorcerers need a full-round action to cast metamagic'ed spells.

Including the sole metamagic whose function it is to make spells take less time to cast? You'd think when directly asked 'does that rule also apply to quicken, making the feat utterly worthless', Skip would have the sense to say 'No, Quicken should be an exception'.

[Qwertystop]

Well, it makes sense. Sorcerers need a full-round action to cast metamagic'ed spells.

How does it make sense that quickening a spell takes longer than casting it normally?!

Edit: Ninjaed

[true_shinken]

How does it make sense that quickening a spell takes longer than casting it normally?!

It doesn't. That's why they can't use it.

[gbprime]

How does it make sense that quickening a spell takes longer than casting it normally?!

It doesn't. That's why they can't use it.