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2011-01-04, 08:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Launch Bolt
The powers that be may have struck him down for the foul art of thread necromancy, but Lestroisrois tried to raise an interesting point about the Launch Bolt spell. He stated that you could use it with eschew materials to launch ballista bolts for 6d8 with this cantrip.
But you forgot one thing.
Read the spell. The TARGET of the spell is the crossbow bolt. If you use eschew materials and have no crossbow bolt, then your spell has no target.
Nice try though. it still might work with a magic quiver full of ballista bolts and a real BAB...Last edited by gbprime; 2011-01-04 at 08:40 PM.
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2011-01-04, 09:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-04, 10:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Launch Bolt
No, it's still a crossbow, so you'd be proficient in it. It's the size of the weapon that gives minuses. but since you're just launching the bolt with a spell, I don't think that counts.
Oh, and a ballista only does 3d8. Still... cantrip..
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2011-01-04, 10:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Launch Bolt
No. A medium-sized crossbow fires medium sized bolts. If you used Launch Bolt (only works on crossbow bolts, after all) on a Colossal bolt (Or whatever), you'd have needed a Colossal crossbow to fire it. A you can't use a weapon that's not your Size without penalties.
Launch Bolts works explicitly as firing a light crossbow.
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2011-01-05, 05:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Launch Bolt
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2011-01-05, 06:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Launch Bolt
Originally Posted by Launch BoltInappropriately Sized Weapons
A creature can’t make optimum use of a weapon that isn’t properly sized for it. A cumulative -2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder. If the creature isn’t proficient with the weapon a -4 nonproficiency penalty also applies.Ballista: A ballista is essentially a Huge heavy crossbow fixed in place.
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2011-01-05, 10:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Launch Bolt
Launch Bolt specifies that the bolt to be fired by the spell is the material component of the spell.
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2011-01-05, 10:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-05, 10:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-05, 10:53 AM (ISO 8601)
Re: Launch Bolt
Which is odd, as it behaves more like a focus component. If you read it literally as a material component, it must always be consumed as part of the spell, and not subject to the normal "did the ammo get destroyed?" situation. It makes more sense for it to be a focus component that may be consumed as part of the spell, based on the normal percentages.
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2011-01-05, 10:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-05, 11:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-05, 02:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-05, 02:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Launch Bolt
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2011-01-05, 05:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Launch Bolt
See also here.
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2011-01-05, 07:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Launch Bolt
So how do you all think Eschew Materials interacts with Launch Bolt/Giant's Wrath? Also, where can I find this Giant's Wrath spell?
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2011-01-05, 08:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Launch Bolt
Handbooks:
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2011-01-05, 09:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Launch Bolt
One of the source books reworked ballistae, it might've been the heroes of battle. I forget. Anyway ballistae were effectively reclassified as something else (ie not simply big crossbows), and the damage was increased significantly. So that would probably invalidate the launch bolt trick. Then again I don't have the book on me, so can't verify the detail.
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2011-01-05, 10:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Launch Bolt
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2011-01-05, 11:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Launch Bolt
I had no idea that the designers had compounded the idiocy even further. Being proficient with the ballista has absolutely nothing to do with the size penalty. Even if a medium-sized creature takes that feat, they still have a -4 penalty for attacking with a huge-sized crossbow.
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2011-01-05, 11:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Launch Bolt
Could you cast Shrink Item on a ballista bolt, then cast Launch Bolt on the resulting crossbow bolt? The former deactivates when it hits a solid surface, and most things you'd hit with crossbow bolts are solid enough.
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2011-01-05, 11:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Launch Bolt
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2011-01-06, 05:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Launch Bolt
Pg 64 classifies them as a Catapult. Thats what I was thinking off. On the next page under the ballista description it says. "This torsion-powered catapult looks rather like a huge crossbow that launches large harpoonlike bolts..."
So my memory wasn't so bad. Whether you read this as a ballista equalling a crossbow with regards to the launch bolt spell, I think that will depend on individual intrepretation.
Further more for the siege weapons, all stats given are for 'medium' sized catapults etc. As you said you need the ballista proficiency, further adding weight to the idea that they are more than crossbow. (ie crossbow proficiency doesn't cut it) You need prof: siege weapons to load and make attack rolls of Bab + int to hit.
As a general comment on the siege weapons rules, the rules are infact very cumbersome. I have actually played a session with them and we just started approximating loading times. The whole crew spendign full-round actions with pro: siege engineer check just bogged the game down.
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2011-01-06, 07:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-06, 08:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Launch Bolt
In addition to other issues (such as the 1 sp cost specification), the problem with this scheme is that bolts are destroyed on impact. So there's nothing solid left to grow back to original size, and Shrink Item only works on a single item, not a collection of fragments.
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2011-01-06, 01:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Launch Bolt
Everything goes good with cheddar. It just might not go into your DM's game.
My favorite is still hooking up Warmage and Dracolexi and getting Power Word Pain in as a zero level spell with free Extend spell and then overdosing on Warmage Edge. 15 damage a round for 4d4 or 2d4 rounds from a cantrip.Last edited by gbprime; 2011-01-06 at 01:26 PM.
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2011-01-06, 01:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-12-07, 09:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Launch Bolt
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Light_Crossbow
I would like to point out that you may use crossbow bolts sized for a colossal light crossbow (see above), With the launch bolt spell (see below).
{Scrubbed}Last edited by The Glyphstone; 2013-12-08 at 04:13 PM.
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2013-12-08, 04:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Launch Bolt
Great Modthulhu: And thus a thread created to discuss something brought up via thread necromancy is itself necroed. The cycle continues.
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