Swordsage Max Maneuver/Stance Level

[mootoall]

I know there was a thread up on this recently, but I can't seem to find it. Might as well ask again! What's the swordsage progression for highest level maneuvers/stances known?

[Dusk Eclipse]

The same as a wizards spell list

1 1st level
2 3rd level
3 5th level
4 7th level
5 9th level
6 11th level
7 13th level
8 15th Initiator
9 17 th Initiator

[Keld Denar]

Look at the wizard table, now look at me, now look at the wizard table, now back at me. The highest level spell a wizard could cast, you can learn maneuvers from. Look down, what's this? Its a maneuver known gained every level. Look again, every even level is now a new maneuver. Anything is possible when you are a swordsage and not a monk.

I'm on a phantom steed! Dee dee deeeee dede dee dee deeee!

[Shpadoinkle]

ToB page 39, righthand column about halfway down the page.

[mootoall]

Ah, naturally, same as a wizard. And is there a limit as to how many of their maneuvers/stances can be of their highest level?

[Keld Denar]

Nope. When you are able to swap a maneuver, the new manevuer can be of any level you can initiate, even if thats your highest level.

[mootoall]

Wundebar! Thanks for the help guys!

[Douglas]

Ah, naturally, same as a wizard. And is there a limit as to how many of their maneuvers/stances can be of their highest level?

Not an explicit "no more than X of Y level" limit, no, but there is an indirect limit derived from the progression - you only get so many new maneuvers each level, you aren't allowed to delay taking any, and you can only swap out 1 every 2 levels. A level 9 Swordsage could only have 1 level 5 maneuver because only 1 of his maneuvers known was gained at a level where his Initiator Level was high enough. Only 3 of his other maneuvers could be level 4 because only the 2 plus 1 swap at levels 7 and 8 were gained when he was able to learn 4th level maneuvers, and so on.

[Urpriest]

Look at the wizard table, now look at me, now look at the wizard table, now back at me. The highest level spell a wizard could cast, you can learn maneuvers from. Look down, what's this? Its a maneuver known gained every level. Look again, every even level is now a new maneuver. Anything is possible when you are a swordsage and not a monk.

I'm on a phantom steed! Dee dee deeeee dede dee dee deeee!

Some day this reference will grow old. But it is not this day.

This day we fight!

[MeeposFire]

Look at the wizard table, now look at me, now look at the wizard table, now back at me. The highest level spell a wizard could cast, you can learn maneuvers from. Look down, what's this? Its a maneuver known gained every level. Look again, every even level is now a new maneuver. Anything is possible when you are a swordsage and not a monk.

I'm on a phantom steed! Dee dee deeeee dede dee dee deeee!

I AM A WARBLADE AND I CAN SPAM MANEUVERS FOR 24 HOURS!

P, P, P, P, POWER!

[Arbitrarious]

If I did it right this should be max by level.

{table=head]Level | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9
1 | 6 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | -
2 | 7 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | -
3 | 7 | 1 | - | - | - | - | - | - | -
4 | 6 | 3 | - | - | - | - | - | - | -
5 | 6 | 3 | 1 | - | - | - | - | - | -
6 | 5 | 3 | 3 | - | - | - | - | - | -
7 | 5 | 3 | 3 | 1 | - | - | - | - | -
8 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 3 | - | - | - | - | -
9 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 1 | - | - | - | -
10 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | - | - | - | -
11 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 1 | - | - | -
12 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | - | - | -
13 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 1 | - | -
14 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | - | -
15 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 1 | -
16 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | -
17 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 1
18 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3
19 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 4
20 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 6[/table]

edit: corrected error

[Douglas]

At level 4, you reduced the level 1 count for the swap but didn't increase the level 2 count correctly. This propagates down the line, resulting in 1 too few total maneuvers known for the entire rest of the progression.

Oh, and note that lower level maneuvers can be taken in place of higher level ones, the table just assumes you always take the highest level possible. Also, it's for a strictly single class Swordsage with no racial hit dice.

[Private-Prinny]

I AM A WARBLADE AND I CAN SPAM MANEUVERS FOR 24 HOURS!

P, P, P, P, POWER!

IRON HEART SURGE IS SO POWERFUL IT CAN BLOCK OUT THE SUN! But then it gets too cold... SO IT MAKES ANOTHER SUN.

DOUBLE SUN POWEEEEEEEER!!!!!!!

[Arbitrarious]

At level 4, you reduced the level 1 count for the swap but didn't increase the level 2 count correctly. This propagates down the line, resulting in 1 too few total maneuvers known for the entire rest of the progression.

Oh, and note that lower level maneuvers can be taken in place of higher level ones, the table just assumes you always take the highest level possible. Also, it's for a strictly single class Swordsage with no racial hit dice.

Whoops! Errors abound. And yes it is max level maneuvers for single class swordsage. Thanks for the catch.

[Keld Denar]

The crazy thing about maneuvers is that some of them stay good forever. Emerald Razor actually gets BETTER as you level up, because you have more BAB to PA, and most monster's touch AC goes down. I'd never trade out Emerald Razor, if I was a 2handed PA type. Evar.

[Elric VIII]

Just because you might be interested, if you work your build so that you can take your 3rd or 5th level of Master of Nine at level 17 and an even Swordsage level at 18, you can get up to 8 9th level maneuvers by 20.

17: Two 9th level maneuvers learned by Mo9 = 2 total
18: One 9th from Swordsage level; one from replacing maneuvers at even levels; one from Martial Study = 5 total
19: One from Swordsage level = 6 total
20: One 9th from Swordsage level; one from replacing maneuvers at even levels = 8 total

Your maneuvers/stances known might not be 100% optimized because of prereqs, but w/e.